Chuck!God is great. Especially because no one expected it. I mean with Castiel's comment with "You should have seen Luke..."
Can you imagine God's frustation after coming home from the endless war of Autobots vs Decepticons, just to discover that his angels have started the Apocalypse and that the humans are pulluting the entire planet? Endless patience? Well, it might get a bit stretched thin.
But I can't think which Christian names the Allspark and the Matrix would have.
Hee! So he spends his time writing gospels as mediocre pulp fiction, because if all his children are being idiots, then they don't deserve great writing.
I can't think of Christian names for them either, though the fanon idea of the Matrix holding knowledge makes me want to come up with some sort of "Word of God" type name.
I had to think of the Ark of the Covenant as another name for the Matrix. It has been lost, it is being searched for and without a doubt very powerful. And Moses had it, another "leader". And what is more like the "word of god" than the 10 commandments?
Actually, that works great. I have this mental image of the Original Primes getting the Matrix from the Allspark anyway, so the "Word of God" was originally inside the "Ark of the Covenant", and there's also correlations that could be made to the Covenant of Primus.
The human story of the Ark could have been word of mouth tales handed down since the time the Fallen was building the Sun Harvester, and they (the Ark and the Comandments) ended up in the writings that ended up a part of the Bible (stated in SPN canon as being rather inaccurate).
...And this is my only Fallen icon. Wrong continuity, but at least it's him.
ETA: And I just noticed you only said the Matrix, not both the Matrix and the Allspark when you mentioned the Ark of the Covenant.
It works with Matrix and Allspark better. :) So we have: "Ark of Covenant" = Allspark "Commandments" = Word of God = Matrix
The word of mouth idea with the Bible is great.
Sorry, a bit confused about the Arks. Which Ark had the Fallen? Ark of Convenant or a space ship called Ark? The latter coud have been the tale of "Noah".
Just had to think, the Harvester is in Egypt. Moses was in Egypt, too. Fallen = Pharaoh?
With the Fallen, I always have to think at Lucifer. Not that they're the same person, but hey, he was on earth and he was vulnerable... maybe Lucifer told him a few stories. Good way to destroy humanity. ;)
The Ark the Fallen had was the Allspark - Ark of the Covenant. Not that he had it on Earth at the time, but humans could have got some idea of something that the Matrix came out of.
Later on the concept of the word "ark" being a container gets translated into a boat, i.e. Noah's Ark, which in turn lends it's name to the spaceship on the Moon, which would have crashed a long time after the Fallen's first attempt at harvesting Earth's Sun (remember, the Fallen is to Cybertron what the Biblical Adam is to Earth - or maybe more like Lilith, given his role).
I am considering the connection between Sentinel's Ark and Noah's, and while Sent's can't be linked directly to what happened with the Fallen (see again my comment on the Fallen's antiquity), someone (possibly angelic, since they'd be the most likely to know about an event on the Moon at the time it crashed "centuries" ago) could have told humans about it. I'd like to blame Gabe, but to get into the Bible in the first place (and Genesis no less), it could be anyone inclined to
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Maybe he had it once on earth and showed it around. It would explain why of all planets the Allspark landed on earth - the flight route was already programmed in
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I am now thinking of a scenario where the Allspark was on Earth before humans even started developing, but was sent off (by God) to keep it from unduly influencing them. It landed on a barren planet, did what it does and created the Cybertronian people, they grew up, got into a war that culminated with it being shot into space... and it kinda followed it's original track back "home" to Earth
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So the Allspark was just kinda drawn to it's twin, only planetary surface got in it's way so it never quite got to it's twin.
Interestingly enough, the supposed "curse" that was put on Cain was no such thing. It was actually a protection, because after going and killing his brother, Cain would have likely had siblings up the wazzoo out to punish him for it, so God protected him, promising that anyone who hurt him would get punished... what was it, seven times seven?
So maybe Cain felt obligated to live up to that and became the first hunter ever, and his family has been hunters for millenia, until they crossed bloodline with Abel's line and Sam and Dean were faced with an Apocalypse
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Even for the Allspark, there's only so far it can get through Earth's crust before it gets stuck for a few million years, before humans build a dam around it.
I find it a little ironic, the idea of Cain being the forefather of hunters. Some other fandom canons has Cain the forefather of vampires (well we know that SPN the fore-mother of vampires is Eve). I just feel it's a nice ironic role reversal.
After everything the Winchesters have seen, adding real aliens to their list is probably not that big a thing.
The WaterOn the other hand, maybe with his job as the so-called "Sheriff of Heaven" he found out a bit more about the other "departments" for other planets, or at least that while he was busy helping Sam and Dean prevent the Apocalypse, there were beings from one of those other planets on Earth
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I haven't been too fond of the Leviathans either, but mostly because I came to the SPN fandom basically a ready-made Cas!girl and I begrudge what he's been through because of them, and also Bobby being shot.
The thing is, the whole first movie happens before the angels are officially walking the Earth again. Oh, I can see them adding an extra layer of protection on the Allspark, but I have this idea that it's already depleted in power so besides writing Enochian sigils into the structure of Hoover Dam while it was being constructed, they may have just left it alone and even when the Mision City incident happened, did not think it too much of a problem, believing the humans and Autobots could handle it (if things had gone Megatron's way they may have had to intervene).
But as I said, the events of RotF would fall practically right in the middle of the Apocalypse events.
On Lucifer and the Fallen, I'm not sure their goals would mesh at all. I still haven't watched "The End", but from what I know, Lucifer never actually wanted to
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...I am somewhat a fan of Chuck!God.
...Another icon I need.
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Can you imagine God's frustation after coming home from the endless war of Autobots vs Decepticons, just to discover that his angels have started the Apocalypse and that the humans are pulluting the entire planet?
Endless patience? Well, it might get a bit stretched thin.
But I can't think which Christian names the Allspark and the Matrix would have.
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I can't think of Christian names for them either, though the fanon idea of the Matrix holding knowledge makes me want to come up with some sort of "Word of God" type name.
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I had to think of the Ark of the Covenant as another name for the Matrix. It has been lost, it is being searched for and without a doubt very powerful.
And Moses had it, another "leader". And what is more like the "word of god" than the 10 commandments?
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The human story of the Ark could have been word of mouth tales handed down since the time the Fallen was building the Sun Harvester, and they (the Ark and the Comandments) ended up in the writings that ended up a part of the Bible (stated in SPN canon as being rather inaccurate).
...And this is my only Fallen icon. Wrong continuity, but at least it's him.
ETA: And I just noticed you only said the Matrix, not both the Matrix and the Allspark when you mentioned the Ark of the Covenant.
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So we have:
"Ark of Covenant" = Allspark
"Commandments" = Word of God = Matrix
The word of mouth idea with the Bible is great.
Sorry, a bit confused about the Arks. Which Ark had the Fallen? Ark of Convenant or a space ship called Ark? The latter coud have been the tale of "Noah".
Just had to think, the Harvester is in Egypt. Moses was in Egypt, too. Fallen = Pharaoh?
With the Fallen, I always have to think at Lucifer. Not that they're the same person, but hey, he was on earth and he was vulnerable... maybe Lucifer told him a few stories. Good way to destroy humanity. ;)
Awesome Icon. :D
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Later on the concept of the word "ark" being a container gets translated into a boat, i.e. Noah's Ark, which in turn lends it's name to the spaceship on the Moon, which would have crashed a long time after the Fallen's first attempt at harvesting Earth's Sun (remember, the Fallen is to Cybertron what the Biblical Adam is to Earth - or maybe more like Lilith, given his role).
I am considering the connection between Sentinel's Ark and Noah's, and while Sent's can't be linked directly to what happened with the Fallen (see again my comment on the Fallen's antiquity), someone (possibly angelic, since they'd be the most likely to know about an event on the Moon at the time it crashed "centuries" ago) could have told humans about it. I'd like to blame Gabe, but to get into the Bible in the first place (and Genesis no less), it could be anyone inclined to ( ... )
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Interestingly enough, the supposed "curse" that was put on Cain was no such thing. It was actually a protection, because after going and killing his brother, Cain would have likely had siblings up the wazzoo out to punish him for it, so God protected him, promising that anyone who hurt him would get punished... what was it, seven times seven?
So maybe Cain felt obligated to live up to that and became the first hunter ever, and his family has been hunters for millenia, until they crossed bloodline with Abel's line and Sam and Dean were faced with an Apocalypse ( ... )
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I find it a little ironic, the idea of Cain being the forefather of hunters. Some other fandom canons has Cain the forefather of vampires (well we know that SPN the fore-mother of vampires is Eve). I just feel it's a nice ironic role reversal.
After everything the Winchesters have seen, adding real aliens to their list is probably not that big a thing.
The WaterOn the other hand, maybe with his job as the so-called "Sheriff of Heaven" he found out a bit more about the other "departments" for other planets, or at least that while he was busy helping Sam and Dean prevent the Apocalypse, there were beings from one of those other planets on Earth ( ... )
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The thing is, the whole first movie happens before the angels are officially walking the Earth again. Oh, I can see them adding an extra layer of protection on the Allspark, but I have this idea that it's already depleted in power so besides writing Enochian sigils into the structure of Hoover Dam while it was being constructed, they may have just left it alone and even when the Mision City incident happened, did not think it too much of a problem, believing the humans and Autobots could handle it (if things had gone Megatron's way they may have had to intervene).
But as I said, the events of RotF would fall practically right in the middle of the Apocalypse events.
On Lucifer and the Fallen, I'm not sure their goals would mesh at all. I still haven't watched "The End", but from what I know, Lucifer never actually wanted to ( ... )
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