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Jul 12, 2004 19:13

On that lost post - I forgot to mention, I will set comments to auto-screen, so only i can see them - if you have a guess, but are unsure of spelling or something, you can message me there and i can answer without giving too much away to others.

Oh, and DON'T USE MY JOURNAL AS A PLACE TO TAKE FIGHTS FROM COMMUNITIES.

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xt4j_4ever April 19 2005, 22:50:03 UTC

You said that if I wanted to know why I was banned, to ask here. So I ask. Why was I banned?

taniwha April 19 2005, 23:57:54 UTC

1) You never proved your god, yet continued to claim that it was infallible and that everyone else must be beholden to it because you say so ( ... )

xt4j_4ever April 20 2005, 02:26:05 UTC

Fair enough.

Sorry to have troubled you; never imagined my words could be misunderstood so greatly.

I want so much to try to explain further, but I'm afraid only more misunderstanding can arise from anything I say, given that your perception of me is colored both by your previous experiences with those who share beliefs similar to my own as well as things that I've said that maybe were not so wise to say.

I am really, really, and truly sorry that I offended you. I wish I could tell you (and you believe me) that I don't look down on you, that I respect you for your keen intelligence and your active interest in society.

Fare thee well; I really want the best for you, whatever best you choose, in this life or the next.

taniwha April 20 2005, 02:34:20 UTC

I wish I could tell you (and you believe me) that I don't look down on you,

You know I can't believe that. You said clearly that all who aren't filled with spiritual searching are either self-absorbed hedonists or 'half-dead' inside. That's looking down on people. That's assuming that non-spiritual people cannot be either unhappy shells or anything-goes amoral aesthetics. You consider them lesser. How is that not 'looking down' on them?

that I respect you for your keen intelligence and your active interest in society.

And I thank you. But I also wish both that you used the intelligence you really had instead of falling back on faith and never questioning... and that you realized an active interest in society. Remember, sometimes it's just as important to vote against the greater evil as it is to vote for the lesser. In a two-dog race, a vote not cast is a vote thrown away, but it also counts to help the winner when you could hinder him.

xt4j_4ever April 20 2005, 03:21:53 UTC

Oh, dear me... At the risk of being misunderstood, I really must try to explain to you what I meant by this "found god in oneself or is hopeless" statement ( ... )

xt4j_4ever April 20 2005, 03:40:45 UTC

I just realized I worked myself into a nice little nonsensical logic loop there on this point:

What people are searching for is not (if they find it) what becomes their god. It is the drive that would naturally spur them on to finding god if they so chose to work along that line. I wasn't sure if I explained that well enough, and I didn't want to assume I'd be understood.

"God" would be what we look to for self-definition and world-definition. Many people look to themselves for define themselves and the world around them. Others look to other gods.

Okay, maybe now I can get some sleep. I have to be at work in five hours. =P

Part One taniwha April 20 2005, 22:44:58 UTC

I believe that people are born searching for something.

Your belief does not make it proven so.

Some for truth, some for happiness, some for justice, some for understanding. None of these things that people search for is inherently worse than any other, and the list I made is by no means exhaustive.

But if what someone is born searching is, say, Logic, and that prevents them from being able to believe in your god, they get to be tortured in hell forever. Nice. Real pal, your god.

When I say that those without God have done one of two things, the two things might be better understood as 'found something in place of God' or 'never found anything.'

That is a better way to put it. But it still assumes that humans need a god, your god, period. And that assumption is stupid.

Those who believe that their search for whatever their whole being cries out for is over, they have found some sort of god--something to live for, something that defines them. Many of these things are really good things.but, still, eternal torture... no matter ( ... )

taniwha April 20 2005, 23:02:43 UTC

It is my personal belief that only God is the solution to what people seek, for all the things we seek for are found in Him. Your personal belief is not proof; unfortunately, your fellow beleivers are so convinced of their ways, that they have in the past slaughtered untold numbers of people who disagreed with them and refused to let Christianity be made law. They will likely do that again one day ( ... )

xt4j_4ever April 22 2005, 23:24:57 UTC

Your personal belief is not proof;Mm-hmm. This I know. I've said numerous times that I don't have proof, only the completely unscientific evidence of my testimony ( ... )

taniwha April 23 2005, 19:52:26 UTC

Again, if your god is real and he would send people to hell for doubting his existence, he can go fuck a hand grenade.

taniwha April 20 2005, 23:02:55 UTC

It hurts no one for you to believe, that's correct ( ... )

taniwha April 21 2005, 01:55:41 UTC

By the way. Welcome to the real world.

Here's what modern American Christians are up to:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/04/19/national/w111447D80.DTL

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aJGrWeqv.cFQ&refer=us

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/politics/15judges.html?hp&ex=1113624000&en=0b42a55582cd9ab5&ei=5094&partner=homepage

For that matter, the pope:
http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050419/pl_afp/vaticanpopeus

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