Follow the Money?

Nov 30, 2010 18:25

Ok, a lot has been said about the Wikileaks scandal, and i want to adress one particular dimension that has opened up that hits Britons harder than most at present ( Read more... )

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 19:21:53 UTC
There is no reason government need to interfere

I would like my water to not burn or cause cancer.

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 19:44:57 UTC
No, you're incentive is to sell old growth redwood trees to Japanese.

You're incentive is to blow up the mountains for the coal plant.

Brita pitchers

LOL.

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 20:23:09 UTC
I've seen the gasland trailer

Check out the movie.

these are companies operating with government permits, according to government regulation, on government land or at the very least with permission from the government, often being brought there by government regulatory, tax, and subsidy incentive. Individuals are also shielded from liability via the corporate charter and likely via substantial lobbying/donation/outright bribery efforts. Truly, this is a failure of the free market.

Well, companies are pathologically dedicated to profit, and wreak havok in their wake, then we blame the government for being unable to stop them. Dick Cheney sure kicked ass.

The thing is, I don't want companies to turn my coastline into the Nigerian Delta (Oil rivers) which is what they do when unhampered by the ineffective regulations we do manage to enforce.

You find the idea of Brita pitchers funny?

That you consider that the scope of the problem is what is funny.

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 21:20:07 UTC
Quick question, what is more likely to derive profit: (1) selling cancer water (2) selling not-cancer water

2, if the coal refinery will pay more. 2, if big agro can pay more. 2, if the millers can pay more.

They wreak havoc on coastlines because we've given the government a monopoly in determining what these companies can and can not do.

In the Nigerian Delta?

What do you think would happen if oil washed up along a 10 mile stretch of beaches owned by 100 different people, all with a vested interest in keeping it clean?

Nothing, cause they don't have the money.

No, that was a response to your laughable cancer water objection.

Sorry, just being snarky, ignore my shit.

millions of others, will take Culligan over Illinois-American Water Company any day.

Air is next.

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 22:57:58 UTC
o your answer to my hypothetical is to change it?

To closer align it with reality.

Did you know that without subsidies farmers would actually lose money on corn?

Yes. That is a big problem.

I find it interesting that you're willing to ascribe borderline sociopathy to people, but believe that ailment is suddenly lifted when they enter public service.

I don't believe that exactly, I just don't believe the free market will do any different than it already has, namely setting the rivers ablaze.

"we didn't lock up enough pot users in jail",

You lost me there.

we "didn't regulate enough".

Well, what do you suggest to stop the damage, cause I do not see the free market doing it worldwide, quite the opposite. "we didn't self-regulate enough".

I forgot that property rights don't exist

How does property rights help the fracking problem? Who is going to enforce those rights when a big company wants to foul your water? Not the free market, that's clear enough.

Nigeria is almost a perfect example of why giving a limited few ( ... )

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 21:58:40 UTC
I wish I could change the you're's to yours's.

LOL.

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il_mio_gufo November 30 2010, 22:00:15 UTC
Damn this #@*! pisses me off! Where are all my environmental engineers at? C'mon people.....I mean seriously these engineers hv more brains than any of these other-profession men :O and yet we still let these other-profession men make the final calls ????? weird? just a little

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