Follow the Money?

Nov 30, 2010 18:25

Ok, a lot has been said about the Wikileaks scandal, and i want to adress one particular dimension that has opened up that hits Britons harder than most at present ( Read more... )

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 19:21:53 UTC
There is no reason government need to interfere

I would like my water to not burn or cause cancer.

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 19:44:57 UTC
No, you're incentive is to sell old growth redwood trees to Japanese.

You're incentive is to blow up the mountains for the coal plant.

Brita pitchers

LOL.

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 19:20:25 UTC
should the guys who blew the whistle on Watergate be locked up or get a nations thanks? I rest my case.

Daniel Elsberg? "The Most Dangerous Man in America"?

what if the government has to 'play dirty' in order to accomplish

Are we a Republic? Is there rule of law?

Because there are a lot of cats doing hard time for "playing dirty" in order to accomplish xxxxx.

what is a decent chap supposed to do?

Race to the bottom. Its not fair, the other kids cheat.

Are business interests always the same as national interests?

No. Business is interested in profit. Government, perhaps otherwise.

I don't know man, these thugs are all around me, what to do, what to do....

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il_mio_gufo November 30 2010, 22:04:27 UTC
I don't know man, these thugs are all around me, what to do, what to do....

That's right...& these thugs run the three biggest places-of-employment in my lil' ol home-town. So everyone is cornered at some point....gotta work afterall.

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yes_justice November 30 2010, 22:39:27 UTC
Economic draft!

"Cause I aint no fool, I'm going to school and I'm working in a defense plant." - Phil Ochs, Draft Dodgers Rag.

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underlankers November 30 2010, 22:06:04 UTC
At some point going dirty becomes totalitarian methods. However in the real world often it's not committing the crime that's evil, it's trying to cover it up and getting caught at the coverup.

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green_man_2010 December 1 2010, 00:34:21 UTC
Are you positing that the British government should just say
"Ok, we know that British business will have to bribe people to win contracts. so, we give them licence to hire hookers and do whatever it takes to save jobs and win the contracts that keep the factories open. We don't want businesses bribing us, and we won't let them have the chance - but if they have to grease foreign palms to stay in business, let them play the advantage"?

If so, I can see that working out as follows. if we fess up that we did bribe somebody to get the job, it may not go down too well with his own people. and that is tough on him - or ever her as the case may be. it would make bribery more unacceptable and eventually do away with it. after all, why should the developing countries have to put up with corrupt officialdom ?

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underlankers December 1 2010, 01:24:54 UTC
Nope. I'm saying that bribery is wrong but typically what makes scandals like this scandalous is a failed attempt to cover an incident up.

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gunslnger November 30 2010, 23:14:34 UTC
what if the government has to 'play dirty' in order to accomplish the public good?

Tough luck. Shouldn't be allowed. There is no rational reason for a government that's by the people, of the people, and for the people (which may or may not apply to anyone other than the U.S.) to have any (yes, any) national security secrets other than during an event, like a diplomatic negotiation. Once the event is done, it should all be public.

So, if British businessmen have put up prostitutes for royal Arabs in order to win contracts, can we blame them for trying?

Yes.

I was encouraged to show toys in it directly to the children in the house. Not the parents, mark you - show it to the kids.

I don't see how that's unethical, but that's certainly your choice. It's not on par with the ethics issues governments are having.

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green_man_2010 December 1 2010, 00:27:27 UTC
I don't see how that's unethical,Well, I happen to be someone who believes in that stuff I heard in Sunday School ( ... )

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