There won't be any battle of Russia against Turkey. Russia has used the murder of their diplomat to extort concessions from Turkey on the Syrian issue. The ceasefire agreement that both Russia and Turkey brokered was signed a few days after this assassination, which shows there were no consequences, apart from Russia gaining the upper hand at the table and ending up in the stronger position.
If ISIS really wanted to hurt Russia, they would've organized terrorist acts on Russian territory. They haven't.
> they would've organized terrorist acts on Russian territory
They tried recently but failed (if believe FSB)
This murder should be CIA and Obama to “divide and conquer”. I think this most probable. Second possible purpose is legitimate NATO intervention to Syria
I understand that English isn't your first language, so please forgive me if I mistake your meaning.
This murder should be CIA and Obama to “divide and conquer”. I think this most probable.
If by this you mean that the CIA and Obama organised the assassination of the Russian Ambassador on Turkish soil to "divide and conquer" something (the Russian-Turkish "alliance" perhaps?) this seems a trifle unlikely after the film of the murder and the assassin. Divide and conquer what though? Syria? I'm a bit confused here.
Second possible purpose is legitimate NATO intervention to Syria
Well, given the fact that NATO has avoided becoming involved up to now (unlike Russia) this seems an argumentum tu quoque rather ahead of and divergent to the facts.
this seems a trifle unlikely after the film of the murder and the assassin
Apply this to yourself reasoning
If by this you mean I should apply Occam's razor to the situation or some other form of analysis, I'm happy to. Please explain your reasoning and which forms of analysis you are using. Because I don't quite see what you're saying. My fault obvs.
You still haven't answered my question though: what is it that Obama and the CIA are trying to divide and conquer? Syria? Turkey? Russia? The Russo-Turkic alliance complete with airplane disasters?
if they avoided there would not be any of their ships, planes and their puppet "rebels"The Syrian rebels have an Airforce and a Navy now? Full of ex-NATO capital ships and planes? Gifted them by our generous governments
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OK. I agree that was a bit much... but when it comes to undermining alliances, Turkey is a member of NATO. So the Russo-Turkic alliance, however fragile, pretty much destabilises South-Eastern NATO.
Divide and conquer? Who exactly is doing the dividing and conquering?
Indeed it is not so simple. Here we are in agreement. And unpicking this requires an ability to trust the other participants in this unpleasant theatre of war, nationalism, separatism, and terrorism.
One of the things about the Anglo-Saxon meltdown is that it had many differing predicates which all coalesced in two massive protest votes. But one of the main of these predicates was a lack of trust: a lack of trust in the political process; a lack of trust in information; a lack of trust in experts; a lack of trust in the executive; and a lack of trust in law-enforcement.
Now IMO we need to foster trust. But even I am cynical as to some people's motives for action. Trust seems absent, somehow.
The trust and politics? Or even... trust and politicians? :)
Law-enforcement is possible only if there exists the force to en--force anybody. Or else there will be single law that is law of power. In politics there is not superior force like God or powerful aliens.
You know, blaming Obama/Hillary and the CIA for all of Russia's woes and shortcomings has become rather tired at this point. It's a cliche. It creates a The Boy Who Cried Foul situation: even if it turns out true one out of ten times, even then no one would take it seriously. Because it has become the standard go-to cop-out for Russians. You guys should try to be a bit more creative in your conspiracy theories.
Why not blame the Martians this time, you know, just for a change?
Well, ISIS has failed. We talked about this here.
There won't be any battle of Russia against Turkey. Russia has used the murder of their diplomat to extort concessions from Turkey on the Syrian issue. The ceasefire agreement that both Russia and Turkey brokered was signed a few days after this assassination, which shows there were no consequences, apart from Russia gaining the upper hand at the table and ending up in the stronger position.
If ISIS really wanted to hurt Russia, they would've organized terrorist acts on Russian territory. They haven't.
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They tried recently but failed (if believe FSB)
This murder should be CIA and Obama to “divide and conquer”. I think this most probable.
Second possible purpose is legitimate NATO intervention to Syria
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This murder should be CIA and Obama to “divide and conquer”. I think this most probable.
If by this you mean that the CIA and Obama organised the assassination of the Russian Ambassador on Turkish soil to "divide and conquer" something (the Russian-Turkish "alliance" perhaps?) this seems a trifle unlikely after the film of the murder and the assassin. Divide and conquer what though? Syria? I'm a bit confused here.
Second possible purpose is legitimate NATO intervention to Syria
Well, given the fact that NATO has avoided becoming involved up to now (unlike Russia) this seems an argumentum tu quoque rather ahead of and divergent to the facts.
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Apply this to yourself reasoning
> NATO has avoided becoming involved up
if they avoided there would not be any of their ships, planes and their puppet "rebels"
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Apply this to yourself reasoning
If by this you mean I should apply Occam's razor to the situation or some other form of analysis, I'm happy to. Please explain your reasoning and which forms of analysis you are using. Because I don't quite see what you're saying. My fault obvs.
You still haven't answered my question though: what is it that Obama and the CIA are trying to divide and conquer? Syria? Turkey? Russia? The Russo-Turkic alliance complete with airplane disasters?
if they avoided there would not be any of their ships, planes and their puppet "rebels"The Syrian rebels have an Airforce and a Navy now? Full of ex-NATO capital ships and planes? Gifted them by our generous governments ( ... )
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> The Syrian rebels have an Airforce and a Navy now
English really is not my first but now you are just pretending
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Divide and conquer? Who exactly is doing the dividing and conquering?
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I think the most probable variant is CIA and some part of USA political elite who prefer strategy of play in new Cold War.
> Turkey is a member of NATO. Russo-Turkic alliance is fragile
First alliance is old but falling, second is fragile but rising. It is enough motive for attempt to reverse these trends.
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How is the Russo-Turkic alliance codified? The two are not the same.
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Turkey is a signed-up fee-paying troop providing member of NATO. The NATO alliance take precedence according to the treaty itself.
So who is undermining alliances?
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USA supports Kurds, enemies of Turkey, USA protected Gülen, enemy of Erdogan
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One of the things about the Anglo-Saxon meltdown is that it had many differing predicates which all coalesced in two massive protest votes. But one of the main of these predicates was a lack of trust: a lack of trust in the political process; a lack of trust in information; a lack of trust in experts; a lack of trust in the executive; and a lack of trust in law-enforcement.
Now IMO we need to foster trust. But even I am cynical as to some people's motives for action. Trust seems absent, somehow.
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Law-enforcement is possible only if there exists the force to en--force anybody. Or else there will be single law that is law of power. In politics there is not superior force like God or powerful aliens.
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Why not blame the Martians this time, you know, just for a change?
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