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johnny9fingers January 1 2017, 12:56:33 UTC
this seems a trifle unlikely after the film of the murder and the assassin

Apply this to yourself reasoning

If by this you mean I should apply Occam's razor to the situation or some other form of analysis, I'm happy to. Please explain your reasoning and which forms of analysis you are using. Because I don't quite see what you're saying. My fault obvs.

You still haven't answered my question though: what is it that Obama and the CIA are trying to divide and conquer? Syria? Turkey? Russia? The Russo-Turkic alliance complete with airplane disasters?

if they avoided there would not be any of their ships, planes and their puppet "rebels"

The Syrian rebels have an Airforce and a Navy now? Full of ex-NATO capital ships and planes? Gifted them by our generous governments?

Honestly. The Sunni majority in Syria rebelled against the Shia leadership after long-term drought and an asymmetric distribution of resources favouring the minority Shia population. The Yanks and some other parts of NATO gave and sold the Sunni rebels various arms, mainly via Saudi Arabia. What happened to the arms when Turkey used the Syrian civil war as an excuse to go after the Kurds became interesting. But you seem to imply that all this is a deep strategic plan to divide and conquer something as yet unspecified.

Divide and conquer what exactly please? Or, to use the vernacular, your slip's showing.

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ivankon January 1 2017, 13:06:08 UTC
You own version was divide Turkey and Russia and I just agree.

> The Syrian rebels have an Airforce and a Navy now

English really is not my first but now you are just pretending

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johnny9fingers January 1 2017, 13:36:27 UTC
OK. I agree that was a bit much... but when it comes to undermining alliances, Turkey is a member of NATO. So the Russo-Turkic alliance, however fragile, pretty much destabilises South-Eastern NATO.

Divide and conquer? Who exactly is doing the dividing and conquering?

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ivankon January 1 2017, 13:49:20 UTC
> Who exactly

I think the most probable variant is CIA and some part of USA political elite who prefer strategy of play in new Cold War.

> Turkey is a member of NATO. Russo-Turkic alliance is fragile

First alliance is old but falling, second is fragile but rising. It is enough motive for attempt to reverse these trends.

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johnny9fingers January 1 2017, 14:21:02 UTC
Turkey is a signatory to NATO.

How is the Russo-Turkic alliance codified? The two are not the same.

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ivankon January 1 2017, 14:22:22 UTC
Now you argue with yourself

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johnny9fingers January 1 2017, 14:37:54 UTC
Not at all.

Turkey is a signed-up fee-paying troop providing member of NATO. The NATO alliance take precedence according to the treaty itself.

So who is undermining alliances?

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ivankon January 1 2017, 16:48:46 UTC
It is not so simple.
USA supports Kurds, enemies of Turkey, USA protected Gülen, enemy of Erdogan

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johnny9fingers January 1 2017, 17:24:07 UTC
Indeed it is not so simple. Here we are in agreement. And unpicking this requires an ability to trust the other participants in this unpleasant theatre of war, nationalism, separatism, and terrorism.

One of the things about the Anglo-Saxon meltdown is that it had many differing predicates which all coalesced in two massive protest votes. But one of the main of these predicates was a lack of trust: a lack of trust in the political process; a lack of trust in information; a lack of trust in experts; a lack of trust in the executive; and a lack of trust in law-enforcement.

Now IMO we need to foster trust. But even I am cynical as to some people's motives for action. Trust seems absent, somehow.

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ivankon January 1 2017, 17:50:33 UTC
The trust and politics? Or even... trust and politicians? :)

Law-enforcement is possible only if there exists the force to en--force anybody. Or else there will be single law that is law of power. In politics there is not superior force like God or powerful aliens.

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luvdovz January 1 2017, 15:49:19 UTC
Is that your best answer at this point?

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