The return of the Putin III

[abomvubuso]

I think this vid is pretty succinct, how'dya think? Well, the exit polls are unambiguous. There'll be no 2nd round, Putin wins the presidential election in Russia. 58-60% roughly. And no surprise there.

The result was anticipated, and is hardly a shock for anybody. More important is what the opposition's reaction would be and what are Putin's next

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[htpcl]

Be my guest.

On political prisoners:
http://gulaghistory.org/nps/onlineexhibit/dissidents/prisoners.php
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0861075.html
http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=23579

On dissidents being sent to Siberia:
http://gulaghistory.org/nps/onlineexhibit/dissidents/

On forceful deportations of entire ethnicities to remote lands far away from their original homes:
http://www.memo.ru/history/deport/
http://gulaghistory.org/nps/onlineexhibit/stalin/crimes.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3509933.stm
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1058729.html

Deportation ot Tatars:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/not_in_website/syndication/monitoring/media_reports/1995670.stm
http://books.google.bg/books?vid=ISBN0415182972&id=lYMsIE5KjmMC&pg=PA130&lpg=PA129&dq=stalin+deportations+tatar&sig=cnQ1lERPtpcCT34zFUEgy8E-eAc&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=stalin%20deportations%20tatar&f=false

Forced labor camps for non-Russian ethnicities:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.TAB1B.GIF

More on the deportations from across Eastern Europe:
http://www.migrationeducation.org/13.0.html

Tolstoy also wrote about the forced repatriation of millions of people:
http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=1988&month=12

A curious episode: the deportation of Jews into the Far East:
http://www.reds-on.postalstamps.biz/Russia/birobidzhan.htm

The history of deportation of Koreans:
http://kungrad.com/history/etno/kor/
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/44692.html

Let's add the Holodomor, the "Secret Holocaust" in Ukraine:
http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/european/761

Do you have your own refutal to add, or you'd just dismiss it all?

[pofigistiks]

Walked selectively on the links.
I saw this the same wikipedia without proof.

The source can serve as a historical document, the work of the historian with a link to historical documents, and not fudge on the site (with pictures of bottles))), and links to news site. I do not see it.

For example, a historical document:
By the way, congratulations on the anniversary.

[htpcl]

> Walked selectively on the links.

Yeah, I know. :-)

Which anniversary?

[pofigistiks]

Yeah, I know. :-)
Well, the sites novayagazeta and BBC did not even go to allude to the mass media is mauvais ton. A novayagazeta in Russia is considered propaganda newspaper.

Which anniversary?
March 6, 1857 U.S. Supreme Court ruled that slaves are property, not citizens.

[htpcl]

I'm not American. It's not my anniversary.

Good at least that you didn't cite Pravda as a source.

[pofigistiks]

O, Bulgaria! Sorry, did not know.
Yes, "Pravda" is also not a reliable source, as well as writings of the revisionists.

By the way, the court has recently ruled that the Red Army could not have shot Polish officers in Katyn.

[htpcl]

Yep. Talking about revisionism.

Whose court?

[pofigistiks]

Russian court, of course.

[htpcl]

So a Russian court acquits a Russian atrocity? That's just... beautiful.

[pofigistiks]

The court makes decisions based on facts ... In Bulgaria it is done differently?

[htpcl]

Let's stay focused on the Russian court for now if you don't mind. A Russian court says that Russia didn't do anything wrong. And you don't notice anything suspicious in this?

[pofigistiks]

Russian court ruled that the shooting was in September 1941, when the place was occupied by Germany.

[htpcl]

The Russian court is not independent. An international investigation would've been far more impartial. But of course the Russians won't allow an international investigation, and that says a lot.

[pofigistiks]

In September 1941, 11,000 Polish officers who were prisoners of war were killed in the Katyn Forest near Smolensk.
Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 1
Indictment : Count Three
COUNT THREE - WAR CRIMES
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/count3.asp

Russian court issued a similar decision.
Are you going to argue with the trials at Nuremberg.

[htpcl]

But that was a year after the actual Katyn massacre that we're talking about here. The area changed hands over the course of 1941.

Did you even read the above source that I provided?

And let's reassess where we started from, so we stay focused. You claim that GULag wasn't used as a tool for dealing with political opponents to the Soviet regime. That's patently false. Thousands of political prisoners perished in those camps and that's documented. You chose to ignore all the evidence, stating ridiculous reasons like "this is Wikipedia". Further, it was demonstrated that Stalin relocated millions of ethnic minorities to remote areas in order to disrupt their communities. You didn't even respond to that. Again, why should any of your arguments be taken seriously?

[pofigistiks]

But that was a year after the actual Katyn...
Yes, at the Nuremberg Trials were fools, and they wrote nonsense.
Well I quoted and gave a link, do not read it?

And let's reassess...
Yes, you can call political prisoners and Chikatillo.
But it is not. You can create a site and write it here and refer to it, but it will remain false.
All links that you gave have the same quality, and reliability.
And compare, I refer to the official document you refer to the BBC.

Again, why should any of your arguments be taken seriously?
It's your choice. I do not force.