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Oct 30, 2005 19:07

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callmeal October 30 2005, 19:31:26 UTC
After all, atheists may attack preachers, but how many attack the likes of Mother Terese?

Not being an atheist, but an outspoken critic of religions in many ways, let me say this: Attacking a preacher just for the fact that he is a preacher is wrong and calls of the same intolerance I'm opposing. What I (and various atheists and non-christians) are attacking is the intolerance and narrowmindedness that is being spread in the name of god.
As I have said before, it is not god or the devil that is to be feared, it is the men who aim to teach you to fear god. Who aim to stop you from thinking yourself. And even the most tolerant preachers can't help but hinting that god doesn't appprove of you not believing in him.

Apart from that, kudos on helping the old man. Too many people would have just walked on or maybe just called the police instead. Good people are rare.

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virescere October 30 2005, 21:01:50 UTC
"And even the most tolerant preachers can't help but hinting that god doesn't appprove of you not believing in him."

Oh, what a tragedy!

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taechay October 31 2005, 09:11:28 UTC
I think what my friend is refering to is that preachers ask for people to believe in them. Ie the preacher has a right to be believed, else the audience is a sinner automatically ( ... )

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callmeal October 31 2005, 10:35:04 UTC
Maybe Jens just wants to keep his quiet little "home" of mind free of guests that don't respect him as the head of the house.

Coming from anyone else, this would offend me. Because it essentially says that I choose to be ignorant. However, I will assume that you meant that I don't like people to think for me.
I choose not to be preached to, and who insists in doing so will earn my annoyance, at the least.

I can accept what you believe. I don't like it, I don't agree, but you are entitled to your beliefs as I am to mine.

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taechay October 31 2005, 15:18:35 UTC
Hmm. If I had said that you wanted your house to be free of guests, that would be ignorant, imho. What I was thinking was that you have no desire to subordinate yourself to someone/something who claims to be Lord. Am I so far off the mark? I wasn't making any value judgment, in fact I was trying to excuse you with something I can understand, whatever that means now.

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virescere October 31 2005, 20:31:53 UTC
What I was sort of mocking was the impression I got from callmeal's statements... that people aren't allowed to disapprove of things anymore!

We should all be Taoists publicly, eh?

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callmeal October 31 2005, 20:42:50 UTC
Do not accuse me of things I haven't said. All I was offering was some different point of view. It was you who started an argument over it.

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