баны за маты\censorship

[wilde_milch]

Title
баны за маты\censorship

Short, concise description of the idea
добавить возможность жалобы на нецензурную лексику пользователя\\\\\add the ability to complain about foul language user

Full description of the ideaпредлагаю добавить возможность жалобы на некорректные, а именно нецензурные выссказывания пользователей в виде кнопки, дописать

Comments

[lied_ohne_worte]

Quite apart from the problem of censorship in itself - which country's rules and laws are we talking about? There are a few things which are illegal in my country, falling under hate-speech type laws, which sadly are allowed in other countries and occasionally give me nasty shocks on the internet; on the other hand, there are quite a few countries where things are forbidden that fall under elementary freedom of opinion in my own country.

[lied_ohne_worte]

Also, it's not clear from the suggestion: Do you want LJ to automatically censor all its users' content, or should that censorship be done by user request? Neither is ideal IMO, but the first of the two might just finish LJ off for good for many users.

[wilde_milch]

I'm talking about the use of foul language, which is banned here in Russia, as in many other civilized countries, and I'm talking about and unmotivated baseless insults to users. I wish that would have been added to the service, which allows the user to send the complaint to special bot that would by the presence of certain words deprive offenders of the opportunity to actively use the service for some time. such a function exists on many Russian sites, I would like to see it on livejournal.ru

[lied_ohne_worte]

Foul language is banned in Russsia, really? You're not allowed to use swear words? Somehow I doubt that. And I guess my own country is deeply uncivilised because you are allowed to swear as much as you like as long as you don't slander/libel other people

[wilde_milch]

Russia a civilized country, most services have the resources that provide censorship of profanity in accordance with the law, many Russian services, you will get banned for using inappropriate language, or is disconnected from the resource. this resource does not provide services that would protect users from cultural upbringing boors and inadequate users.

[lied_ohne_worte]

As boredinsomniac says, there are a variety of means available to deal with people misbehaving - introducing a bot into the system would not help matters.

Also, I hadn't been meaning to go there, but as you yourself are steering in that direction: The Russian provisions for internet censorship (which have recently made so broad that many organisations which consider political freedom an important feature of "civilised countries" are rather concerned about it) aren't really about getting people to stop swearing, are they? While I realise that I'm not in the target group for such measures by Russian authorities, I'd still rather not see the site go even beyond what the Russian government can already do now.

If swearing on the internet is really illegal under Russian laws, I think you should leave it to the Russian authorities to persecute offenders, rather than let the site use (likely non-efficient and rather hard to implement considering the many languages people use the site in) automatic measures against it.

[wilde_milch]

if you are so aware of how things work in Russia, why do you advise me to go to the authorities? Society itself is governed by rules of the relationship between each other, we can not count on the power of the law, for which we, the common people will always be guilty, saboteurs, spies, and blasphemy.

[charliemc]

I agree -- I've been online for years and have never seen an effective profanity filter.

I happen to enjoy the concept of freedom of speech -- including adult terms and profanity. There are so many ways to avoid profanity if you really don't want to read it, in my opinion...

(By the way, I don't think the use of profanity is an indication of being civilized or not civilized. That's a matter of opinion...)

[wilde_milch]

in Russian so many swear words that are used as you wish, such a service is needed, due to the fact that too much freedom of speech is also not always useful for the cultural development of the people.

[charliemc]

I can't imagine an entire nation (in this case, Russia) needing to have a service to avoid profanity. Really?

Of course, my nation (the U.S.A.) thrives on the concept of Freedom of Speech. We won't allow ANYTHING to stand in the way of that freedom. Which is why this sort of suggestion will never be popular with Americans...

(But I don't see a lot of Russians coming here to support the idea, either...)

[wilde_milch]

Your vaunted freedom of speech has become a slave, you can not call things by their names, because they run the risk of legal action. Is this freedom?

[charliemc]

Wow, am I with you on this -- very well stated!!!

[wilde_milch]

I think that the methods of implementation of this feature must be selected objectively and voting. for cultural and educated people create such a service absolutely no difference.

[wilde_milch]

I'm talking about the use of foul language, which is banned here in Russia, as in many other civilized countries, and I'm talking about and unmotivated baseless insults to users. I wish that would have been added to the service, which allows the user to send the complaint to special bot that would by the presence of certain words deprive offenders of the opportunity to actively use the service for some time. such a function exists on many Russian sites, I would like to see it on livejournal.ru

[boredinsomniac]

There are ways to deal with harrassment already, and I think they're better than using a bot. You can control who is allowed to comment in your journal, including banning specific people if you wish. You can limit commenting to your friends to avoid having random people insult you. In communities, moderators can ban people who comment inappropriately. Sitewide, if someone continues to harrass you, the Abuse Prevention team can review the situation and might ban the harrasser. ALL of this seems more effective and more practical than a bot - for one thing, the problems lied_ohne_worte described are not problems under the current system.

One thing I can think of is the option to make your own censorship list. A comment with those words would be blocked in your journal (but not in communities). Still, I think it would be way to easy for people to avoid that with creative spelling, and as L said, they can insult you using everyday words. Therefore it would not be worth the effort of building it.

[wilde_milch]

you n understand me quite right, I'm not talking about setting a diary, and that some people insult others that sort of entertainment, and it would be much better if there was a resource that provides user interaction within the law and ethics, because at the moment we are not immune from the attacks of the so-called Troll ...