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lavajin August 5 2007, 16:51:49 UTC
I find it telling that *if* it indeed happened the way he claimed, she called *the day before* and warned him. He had plenty of time to get the dogs to a safer location...

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zooey August 5 2007, 17:15:30 UTC
He probably didn't know which barn she would hit, and even then... Moving barns full of puppies in 24 hours?

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lavajin August 5 2007, 17:24:23 UTC
Not that complicated if you really care about them. How many barns full of puppies does this jerk have?

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kaddidle August 5 2007, 17:41:22 UTC
It doesn't say that the lady called and said she was burning down his barn, just that she was "putting him out of business." Burning down the barn was probably not what he expected.

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lavajin August 5 2007, 17:43:28 UTC
It does say that she tries it every year.

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kaddidle August 5 2007, 17:46:05 UTC
Not that she tries to burn down his barn every year--just that she tries to put him out of business. There are a lot of other, more effective ways to try to put someone out of business. (Her barn burning approach obviously didn't work at all.)

I guess there's just not enough info in this third hand account to know the whole story.

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lavajin August 5 2007, 18:35:10 UTC
& why didn't he call the police right after she called? & how does he know it was her anyway? I'm just skeptical about his side of things. :]

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so_says_ali August 5 2007, 17:48:08 UTC
Tries to put him out of business, which can be done legally in a variety of ways.

Arson may be a good way to get people to notice you, but I find it really hard to take an animal rights "crusader" seriously if the best way they can save the puppies is to light a fire that, uh, KILLS them.

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lavajin August 5 2007, 18:36:02 UTC
So she's nuts. He should have that figured out by now, IF his side of the story is even close to the truth...

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so_says_ali August 5 2007, 18:46:13 UTC
Uhhh, there are many, many insane people out there. I don't know what you're getting at.

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lavajin August 5 2007, 18:52:15 UTC
What I am getting at is that if she has tried things before he should know by now that when she threatens she is crazy enough to mean it and he should take proper precautions.

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arquel August 5 2007, 21:15:17 UTC
Maybe this is the first time she tried something violent. Maybe all she'd done before is distribute angry flyers and picket. Don't you think if he had any indication she would actually KILL some of his dogs, he'd have done something? Even if he was only in it for the money, he definitely wouldn't have just let her kill a barn full of puppies he had invested time and money into ( ... )

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lavajin August 5 2007, 21:26:43 UTC
Or maybe he could have, oh, you know, CALLED THE POLICE. Christ on a stick people. Stop getting all pisst and accusing me of making assumptions about what happened/could happen/might have happened, and then making just as many, if not more assumptions. Thank you very much.

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lavajin August 5 2007, 21:27:01 UTC
pisst = pissed

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arquel August 5 2007, 21:47:51 UTC
Well, what would the police have done? They don't exactly have the resources to post someone at his property 24/7 because of some vague 'threat', and they can't arrest someone unless they have some evidence that they have already done something illegal or threatened to do something illegal. Threatening to put someone "out of business" is not illegal, as it is not a threat of immediate bodily harm or intent to commit some kind of crime. If she'd said "I'm going to burn down your barn full of dogs", maybe he'd have had a reason to call the police.

I'm not pissy, I'm just trying to understand why you seem to think this was preventable.

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lavajin August 5 2007, 21:51:53 UTC
If she's tried things in the past, the police should at least have gone and had a talk with her, and he could have gotten a restraining order from the past events.

I'm just trying to understand why you seem to think this was preventable

Honestly, I don't think the byb is 100% honest, is all.

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