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givemenames September 18 2010, 17:30:54 UTC
"But people must be free to make their choices as they would make them and then to deal with the ramifications of them for good or ill."

One hand touched the paper and there were definite similarities to what he, Malik and Kadar had all looked upon prior to their confrontation to Robert de Sable and he traced over the drawing, brow furrowing as he did so. Strange to think that the Ark had survived so many years. He looked up once she started talking; this was new information he would have to make note of and discuss with Malik later in the day as he had not heard of the tablets outside of the religious texts they were mentioned in.

"These Pieces of Eden, the religious acts mentioned in the Bible were caused by it. Adam and Eve being cast out from the garden, snakes turning to staves, the parting of the Red Sea, the Trojan war and even water being turned to wine. Those are other miracles the Apple is capable of." He nodded in response to her question though and sighed.

"Some of my brothers and I were sent to retrieve it from Solomon's Temple and we did. But our Master was not who we thought him to be and he wanted the artifact for himself. Now though...now I suppose it belongs to me although I do not have it in this land."

That thought troubled him. Was time moving forward without himself or Malik present? Had the Apple been destroyed or sealed away or did another possess it? He hoped sincerely it had been sealed somewhere safe as the power it had even just those he had mentioned to Lara, were a great and terrible thing and to go through all that he had only for it to fall into the wrong hands once more was unforgivable.

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nvrtheeasyway September 18 2010, 18:05:27 UTC
"True", she whispered back, musing over his words. "I suppose all we can hope for is for the good to always counterbalance the bad."

She watched as he touched the paper, tracing over the patterns she drew upon it. Lara noticed the missing ring finger and raised eyebrow slowly, though she kept the question of how he'd lost it to herself, assuming it might have come as a battle wound.

The Tomb Raider was not a very religious person and she kept to herself that the world had definitely not been created by God as told in the bible. But those miracles, even if they had been recounted in a more fantasist way than how they truly happened, still did. And for a relic to be at their origins was not unbelievable.

Lara gave a long look at Altaïr as he revealed that the Piece of Eden had fallen onto his care. So he had first lied to her about not coming across a relic when they had spoken before. The young woman wondered why he had suddenly changed his mind and let her know that he was in possession of the Apple. Well, back in his time at least.

"For the best, I suppose. I have not been here long, but considering the power that relic has, it can't fall into the wrong hands, whichever world it finds itself in."

There was one way the young woman could think of how the Assassin would have become its guardian and she wasn't feeling sorry for his lost. From what the young man had told her, if he chose to kill his Master, it must surely have been for a good reason. Like using the Apple for his own gain. She then answered his silent musing:

"Well, seeing as my time isn't at war, nor dominated by the Templars, whatever you chose to do with it must have been the right thing. There is still wrong doings being done, but at least everyone is able to freely walk that path."

Props to you, Altaïr. You've resisted the temptation and proven yourself selfless, at least to Lara's eyes. She then smiled teasingly:

"I hope your stay in this world will not change your mind about it, though. I find that it would be a true waste to have to kill you to protect my time."

While she was being playful, don't think she wouldn't do it because you're kinda cute, Assassin. She killed people she was far closer to in order to save innocent people.

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givemenames September 18 2010, 22:43:21 UTC
"From what I have learned here and what I have observed from those around here is that in many different places, there are always those who would unite and take a stance against evil."

And the Order was still present a good three hundred years after the days Altaïr himself remembered and that in itself was a good sign; the Templars had not beaten them back entirely and they were still fighting to ensure that the every day people could go about their lives with as little difficulty as possible, oblivious to an ancient holy war going on about them.

He really would have to speak to Ezio further about this Codex if the Apple had been involved to see what he had done with it though. Evidently he had not destroyed it but would such a feat be possible? Surely others would have tried in the past before it was sealed away. He had felt himself drawn to it too even as Al Mualim's disembodied voice had rung out. Still, Lara did not need to know that; no one did beyond the Brotherhood and even then, he would rather keep as much as he could relating to it between Ezio and himself. After all, how would Malik feel knowing that the artifact they had been sent to retrieve and that had caused so much pain and strife throughout the years?

"If anything, seeing this world so far, it has renewed my desire to stop such things from occurring again in my own land and time. The freedoms enjoyed by those here are far beyond what we have, I would wish that throughout the Holy Land." He smiled a little more as he spoke as this world, even with the restrictions and objections to the Brotherhood and their goings on, it truly was far freer. There were few thugs roaming the streets, no men on raised platforms calling out others on their beliefs and referring to those with different viewpoints as infidels. Few beggars or lepers begging for coins. Even the guards left the citizens alone unless they truly believed they were performing misdeeds.

"What are the Templars of your time like? Do they still manage to insinuate themselves within political situations such as they did in the Crusades?"

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Holy crap I am so sorry this turned into an assay or something ;_; nvrtheeasyway September 19 2010, 05:34:14 UTC
When Lara finally smiled as Altaïr spoke of his desire to bring more freedom to the Holy Land, it was tainted with warmth and a hint of softness. It was strange to hear such a noble thing to wish for, especially from a man that has been thought to kill from his birth.

"The Holy Land, or Middle East as we now know it, is freer than it was in your time, Altaïr."

It wasn't as free as the rest of the world, at least in some part of it, but most people could choose what to do of their life as they wanted to. Most of the general population had jobs, went to school, could eat three times a day. There was still wars over religion, drugs or oil, but she wasn't about to let the man know about that.

Her smile turned a bit sheepish as she answered his next question:

"As I told you yesterday, in my time, the Templar Knights are of legend now. By the early 14th century, the Knights had lost all of the Holy Land to the Saracens and had not been able to regain any cities for long years. A few years after their last defeat, all known members of the Order were arrested and tortured under the order of King Philip IV. Those who survived the torture were burned at the stake for heresy."

Lara stopped her telling of the Templars' fate a moment to sip her coffee, letting the knowledge sink into the mind of the Assassin sitting across the table. She leaned back on her chair, watching any reaction Altaïr might have at the news she was delivering him.

"By the time they were disbanded, they had accumulated great wealth that was repossessed by the monarchy they used to serve. Some say that it was what had brought their downfall, in the end. Kings were afraid of an Order that was rich, armed and that could freely roam all over Europe. King Philip was particularly afraid the Templars would found their own nation, like the Teutonic Knights had with Prussia."

"There are no more recordings of them after the 14th century, but I know it does not mean they stopped existing. Some believe they may simply have changed the name of the Order, while others think they may have simply given birth to other type of secret societies. The Free Masons and the Illuminati are one of those that may have descended from the Templars."

The young woman looked away for the briefest moment. She had seen to the end of that latter Order, a few years back. She looked back, meeting the young man's gaze steadily:

"If the Templar Knights still exist in my time, they have fallen into the shadows. But seeing as none of the most important relics they were said to be in possession of have yet to be found, they could still be at work. But I doubt that their influence on politics is that great. Things have changed a lot, Altaïr. The people now govern itself through elected leaders. The few monarchies still in place are there as a symbol, they have no more authority over the population. Laws were made to protect the innocents. The Templars would have to be very powerful, even more so than you can imagine them, to be able to control the people, to influence political decisions."

As Lara finally stopped, she drank the remaining of her coffee, musing on her own words. Had the end of the Templars meant the end of Altaïr's Order as well? Part of her hoped not: even without the Knights, there would always be someone wanting to take over the world and hurt innocents.

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Fffff never apologise, it is awesome. -tl;drs forever- givemenames September 19 2010, 18:49:14 UTC
Hearing those words had him smiling further and with the frown lines completely gone from his face along with the last hints of severity in his eyes, he no doubt looked younger than he had previously; there were many who probably believed him to be far older than his twenty-five years from his demeanour and expression. It would have been impossible for him to remain expressionless though at such news as he had experienced certain freedoms far beyond the norm for his time and that others had that too, even if it had taken many years for them to reach that point made for easy listening. It was what they had always fought for after all.

It was also difficult not to give a very small smirk of satisfaction at news of what had happened to the Templars but it raised questions with some of what Ezio had said. Ezio was from beyond that point and the Templars were still around then but did anything truly disappear? If the tide had been turned against them they would have made plans for that would they not? Plans to cover their tracks, stay more secretive than normal and to gain sway and influence anew in subtler ways. After all, with enough coin or promises then loyalties and power could be bought and traded as easily as goods at a marketplace.

When she had stopped talking, he gave himself another few minutes to sip at his coffee and take it all in, connect what he knew from his own knowledge and from Ezio and he would truly have to talk these discoveries over with his brothers.

"There are words my Master told me prior to his death and words that are held dear to us: nothing is true, everything is permitted. The Templars are masters of knowing how to strike and how to prepare for eventualities and if they have treasures or money then they can use that to hide themselves. True," he paused for a moment, rubbing his lip for a moment, "they may have thinned their ranks somewhat down to those they could trust completely but I do not think they would ever be gone for good."

That would be too much to hope for after all.

"Flattery and bribes will go a long way with many in all walks of life. A blind eye here, a life taken there to instill another person a certain position. Even these other Orders may be more than what you say they are; they could be Templars still but under different names and adopting different customs to hide what they are.

"But you could be right. I would hope for you to be right so that people can live free without the machinations of others to take control of their lives without their consent or knowledge." He smiled again and even if his own Order was gone by her time too it would not be too high a price for a world without secretive ancient Orders fighting one another at every opportunity.

"If relics are still unaccounted for though, that could mean that those in high places within such Orders have them. Which would explain many things. I know that when the Apple fell to the ground and I approached it, a strange light came forth from it what looked to be a map. I believe it showed the locations of other Pieces of Eden but I know not if Templars knew of them. It would be for the best if they remained hidden in crumbling ruins or ancient vaults until the end of time."

He closed his eyes briefly, recalled Al Mualim and their confrontation and what he had said.

"No one should hold fire in their hands."

Those words made him feel like a hypocrite now. It was clear that he had used it and even if it had supposedly been for good, he had not made good on his words.

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nvrtheeasyway September 20 2010, 05:12:08 UTC
The transformation on Altaïr's face as his smile widened was truly a sight to see. Something akin to true happiness transpired through his eyes and without the lines of worry and sternness, he looked like any other handsome young men. Lara had no idea the Assassin would take the news in such a positive way, but then again, she could figure out that this would mean the success of his Order, in a way. She returned the smile and dropped her gaze to the paper cup in front of her. Why such display of sincerity was making her feel awkward? As if she couldn't, no shouldn't believe it. She pushed the thought away. Despite not knowing him the Assassin for long, he hasn't given her any reasons to doubt his words and Lara didn't want to find herself unable to trust anyone in this new world. Allies were always useful.

The young woman listened as the man mused, meeting his gaze once again and nodding here and there. The words of his Master seemed strange to her, but they were surely making sense to the Assassin. Still, the world had changed enough for Lara to find it hard to believe that a coup by the Templars would succeed solely on the base of bribes and flattery. One country, perhaps, but the entire world? Not really probable. But there was no point in arguing here. Altaïr was obviously more of an expert than her regarding the Templar Knights. She sighed softly, folding her hands together over her notebook:

"Whether they are Templar Knights or not, there are always those that seek to take control of the world. They've never succeeded, obviously."

Mostly because of people like her, that rose against them and thwarted their evil schemes. It was her turn to muse out loud as Altaïr spoke of the map contained within the Apple:

"If those relics have yet to be heard of, then perhaps they were never found. People talk, no matter what. Perhaps the map needed a particular key to be read and such key was never in the Knights' possession. Or maybe the Apple never fell back into their hands."

Lara brought her hands up, leaning her chin against them, her gaze falling over Altaïr's shoulder as she remembered the Greek captain had told her before his boat had been attacked. Her eyes moved back to the Assassin's:

"Yes. Not every relics are meant to be found."

She knew too well of that now.

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givemenames September 21 2010, 18:33:09 UTC
Knowing that he married - a Templar no less, something he found hard to comprehend even as he tried to recall Maria's face when he had time to spare - and that he'd had sons, knowing that they lived in a time better than his own was something he couldn't explain. He wished that Ezio had been able to bring the Codex with him so that he could see for himself what he had done to help change things would have been infinitely interesting.

But maybe it was best not to know. He knew enough about what he planned to do upon his return to his world and even though a lot of what he had learned here would be helpful, life was to be lived according to the choices one had to make, not by following some plan. Although sealing the Apple away sooner rather than later, that would be a priority.

"I believe that would be too much to hope for that they would remain forgotten forever." There was a small measure of weariness in his tone then. "If I had not seen so much then perhaps I could remain optimistic but I have seen more than enough in my time to hold such hopes." He gave a half grin then. "Maybe some have been recovered but by those who know to hide them away again or who know that they are better destroyed so that they may not be used at all. If a normal person, blind to the truth of what some artifact or relic was stumbled upon them then they would likely not broadcast their discovery."

Or so he would hope although experience dictated that it would still reach the eyes and ears of those who sought power and influence. Better that they be destroyed or lost.

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nvrtheeasyway September 22 2010, 02:20:51 UTC
She nodded slowly. It was hard not to be cautious, knowing what they both know about their respective times. But Lara still wanted to believe in the good of people, like that tribe that had lived at the foot of the Kilimanjaro, protecting the Cradle of Life, like Hillary and Bryce who never questioned her motives, who always helped her no matter what danger they could be put through for it.

"Yes. But I suppose the only thing one can do is hope that good will always counterbalance the bad" she said, using the same words she had told him moments ago. Because for as long as humanity would have true free will, it still had a chance to guide itself toward a better future, no matter who would try to control it.

Lara chuckled softly at Altaïr's last words. The thought of a 'normal person' would be able to find an artifact was highly amusing to her. How many expeditions had been lost trying to recover ancient treasures and relics? Very few people were able to read the traps, the puzzles and fight off curses put upon the temples guarding those items.

"I think any person in their set of mind wouldn't foolishly try to find them. Many lost their life trying to gain what had been sealed away by people wise enough to relinquish ownership of gifts from Gods."

She has seen many bodies of those fools in her many visits to said temples.

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givemenames September 24 2010, 12:10:20 UTC
"I would hope that my Order would be there for as long as was needed, helping to safeguard peace and freedom," he replied. It had been their way for so long, back in the time of Alexander the Great of Macedon, King Xerxes of Persia and more, some great names, some men and women who would be footnotes of history.

He would have to come back and read more, to see what had become of some of the assassins he had learned about as a young boy. He and Malik would likely be the only ones to remember their names.

It was a sad thought.

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