Comments | soccervark: interesting

soccervark

interesting

Mar 13, 2006 18:09

I go this from my mom. Personal experience at UCLA and also knowing people who have siblings still in high school or people who are teaching in high school etc leads me to believe this is a huge problem. I'm not saying the "traditional" factors for poor classwork aren't also present, but I'd definately agree that they aren't the only things.

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cookie2697 March 14 2006, 02:32:23 UTC

Very interesting. And probably true too.

drucat March 14 2006, 03:07:00 UTC

I knew someone who went to T C Williams.
He had a work ethic, though.
I think.

If you accept this logic, though, then the question becomes, you know, why would kids now have worse work ethics than kids in the past?

soccervark March 14 2006, 17:28:10 UTC

discipline. i think one thing that was mentioned in the article is guilt of parents letting things slide. it is more likely now than 20 years ago that both parents work and so don't see their kids all the time and so don't want to have punishment be the only thing that happens when they are around. or, the parents aren't home so what do they know? i know my brothers and i weren't supposed to watch tv after school. but was anyone home to stop us? no. only if we told on eachother (which sure we sometimes did) did my mom know we were watching tv. if she doesn't check that i did my homework for example, and either only asks and accepts my answer or doesn't ask at all, then again, how does she know? there is definately a large "do only what you have to" attitude, and if grades aren't enough for some people (they are for a lot, but aren't for a lot as well) to cause them to work hard, then why should they ( ... )

drucat March 14 2006, 17:52:31 UTC

I get that discipline is the answer, but then the question is why that. More working parents is a reasonable answer, but it's not like they can not work, and it's not precisely the kids fault in that cause (until they're old enough to be more responsible for their actions ( ... )

soccervark March 14 2006, 18:46:30 UTC

i agree that it is not the only answer to the problem. the article mentioned the other theories (eg, class size and lack of money) and didn't touch on them because the have been analyzed for years. and that's the point of the article, is that there is obviously something else we need to think about because what we've thought of before hasn't helped. i also agree that both parents working shouldn't necesarily mean that kids have no discipline. i'm kinda wondering (and this is all wondering, no evidence) if there is a cycle, like our parents were super disciplined and so in turn they try to not discipline as much, and then we will discipline more because we wish we had it or something like that. a sort of generational thing. this is obviously a very complex problem with lots of different parts, and the parts aren't the same for each kid, which is part of it all being complicated. i guess one reason i agree with the article comes from my mom's programs. she's worked for over 25 years, starting with gang kids in la and moving on ( ... )