Hopefully I didn't offer anything that sounded ignorant. The disclaimers in my original post were there only to hopefully avoid a flamewar, since I like intelligent discussion in my journal but volatile arguments make me very uncomfortable.
Oops. Sorry, I'm not used to dealing with other autistics. I should have been a little more specific.
I'm irritated by people who insist we not teach facts about the origins of organized complexity (i.e. evolution), because it hurts their feelings by contradicting their religious faith.
I agree with you completely -- just as I think it is ridiculous for schools to teach "abstinence only" because of some silly delusion that it will control the behavior of teenagers.
The part of John's statement that I agreed with was the notion that public schools do indeed engage children in a lot of mindless monkey-tricks. My definition of "value neutral" is a system of education in which facts are presented but nobody in "authority" attempts to foist their religious / political views onto the children. There is nothing political or religious about evolution -- it's more that some people have chosen to make it a polarizing issue. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the science, or that the science itself is any less "neutral".
The part of John's statement that I agreed with was the notion that public schools do indeed engage children in a lot of mindless monkey-tricks.
Well, yes, of course, but the thing is that this what schools are *for*.
Public schools are an instrument of social indoctrination, rather than factual education. This is not so much by deliberate design as by virtue of the fact that social/behavioural mores and not not skills or knowledge are what this culture values
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Now, this is not to say that schools must or should indoctrinate (I hope you have read "Summerhill". If you haven't, I will bitch at you until you do.), but since that is really their primary effective mission, one cannot so easily separate facts from cultural values in the system as it exists.
Well, I haven't read Summerhill. Cue the bitching. :)
I never thought of the notion that school's primary mission is indoctrination. One of my brain quirks is that I'm not as cynical as the average person, so I tend to not suspect duplicity even when perhaps I should.
Well, I haven't read Summerhill. Cue the bitching. :)
Well, read it. Read it read it read it read it.
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I never thought of the notion that school's primary mission is indoctrination. One of my brain quirks is that I'm not as cynical as the average person, so I tend to not suspect duplicity even when perhaps I should.
I'm not suggesting concious duplicity here, simply that people tend to emphasize and enforce what is important to them, and that what is important to them tends to differ from what they say or even think is important to them.
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I'm irritated by people who insist we not teach facts about the origins of organized complexity (i.e. evolution), because it hurts their feelings by contradicting their religious faith.
Their delusions are their own business, ne?
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The part of John's statement that I agreed with was the notion that public schools do indeed engage children in a lot of mindless monkey-tricks. My definition of "value neutral" is a system of education in which facts are presented but nobody in "authority" attempts to foist their religious / political views onto the children. There is nothing political or religious about evolution -- it's more that some people have chosen to make it a polarizing issue. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the science, or that the science itself is any less "neutral".
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Well, yes, of course, but the thing is that this what schools are *for*.
Public schools are an instrument of social indoctrination, rather than factual education. This is not so much by deliberate design as by virtue of the fact that social/behavioural mores and not not skills or knowledge are what this culture values ( ... )
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Well, I haven't read Summerhill. Cue the bitching. :)
I never thought of the notion that school's primary mission is indoctrination. One of my brain quirks is that I'm not as cynical as the average person, so I tend to not suspect duplicity even when perhaps I should.
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Well, read it. Read it read it read it read it.
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I never thought of the notion that school's primary mission is indoctrination. One of my brain quirks is that I'm not as cynical as the average person, so I tend to not suspect duplicity even when perhaps I should.
I'm not suggesting concious duplicity here, simply that people tend to emphasize and enforce what is important to them, and that what is important to them tends to differ from what they say or even think is important to them.
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