more iraq

[smokedamage]

US official admits that the invasion of Iraq was illegal under international law. Of course, this is the fault of the UN, and particularly France.

THE American general who commanded allied air forces during the Iraq war appears to have admitted in a briefing to American and British officers that coalition aircraft waged a secret air war against

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[koed]

I do so get tired of you tellig us that we should be ashamed to be American, as if we personally endorsed this war and voted on Capitol Hill to kill babies. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS LITTLE TO NO CONTROL OVER THE GOVERNMENT. Understand? The vast majority of us do not approve of the current situation, but writing letters to our congressmen doesn't seem to do much when they are receiving payoffs from deep-pocketed corporations that insure that they don't really have to listen to their constituents after all and as for the last presidential election "the will of the people" wouldn't have changed the outcome anyway.

I know, I'm one of many who crossed party lines to vote for Kerry.

[smokedamage]

So get those Goddamn arms that you have the right to bear as per Amendment 2, and rise up and say "No fucking way, this stops now!" and change things

[koed]

The right to keep and bear arms as a militia was envisioned not only as a method for the nation to quickly rally armed forces to defend itself, but also for the populace to be able to defend itself from an injust government (On this Jefferson and Franklin were adamant). This was before our government slowly redefined and eroded away that right until it was a near pointless exercise in futility. Ironically, it was the Democrats that took our ability to stand up to our government away from us. Now the Republicans have given us our "Les Temoins" (The Witnesses), our own neighbors as spies. It has become legislated that to speak out against the administration is to be un-American...or worse...to be considered a domestic terrorist. And we have all now seen for ourselves that within the great democracies...terrorists have no rights

[smokedamage]

There are a lot of people that don't understand this situation that Americans are in. Or they want to put their heads in the sand and not think about it. I want those people, who i believe to be good people, to stop for a minute and think. Given how the world works, making them stop for a minute is the hard part.

I am well aware that my country has been tarred with the same brush, and was reminded of that after seeing fahrenheit 9/11 with moi_downunder when she sniffed an politely pointed out that she was french and for a change they weren't the ones blowing things up for no reason.

no apology required, i am fairly used to wearing some right wing flak so am quite prepared to back things up, and am a little too delighted to jump into it (once more).

Cheers

[sableagle]

Welcome to Hell, smokey. Why did you think I stopped working for them?

I'm thinking of seeing Damascus this winter if it's still there and not glowing in the dark. Want to come too?

[smokedamage]

I might just take you up on that.

[journalsoup]

His rationales might be a bit off, no doubt. Yet some of the allegations about the UN, France and other countries coming out of the whole oil-for-food/kickbacks scandal kinda makes you reconsider some of the points people raised before the war began about WHY certain nations in the UN were so eager to keep the status quo in Iraq

[smokedamage]

Perhaps the arguements to sustain the status quo were based on oil and monetary kickbacks, and economies tied together, but it is certainly the case in many other place where the US has influence. The major difference i see is that going to war makes the US seem like bullies who couldn't get a piece of the pie so tipped the whole thing over so that no-one got any. That, and the fact that the war has cost a lot of people their lives. Some of those people were just taking up arms to fight off the foreign invaders, much the same as anyone would ever do. Hell, you guys have it in the Bill of Rights

[sableagle]

I never read the full speech, but the impression I recall from the bits I saw was that he didn't say they were equivalent but that they were in the same situation in terms of how the world viewed them. He didn't say "What US people are doing is as bad as what the Nazis did," but "The world sees G-Bay as a major bad thing, the same way they saw the Nazis' and Pol Pot's actions." The two are different statements

[smokedamage]

Warm nights in NM or AZ would be great, on a clear night you and your buddies can jump in a pick up and go hunt Mexicans and sink a few brews. Good times.