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Dec 03, 2011 15:18

[Jubilee is sitting on her bed. In her lap is fabric and she's slowly sewing by hand. She looks contemplative.]With all the talk lately, I thought I'd ask a question ( Read more... )

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beenwaitinglong December 3 2011, 20:46:42 UTC
A vigilante is a civilian who enforces justice without the involvement of law enforcement. Plain and simple.

So basically, if you beat up and arrest criminals and you're not a cop-- you are a vigilante.

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thelittlestbub December 3 2011, 20:49:04 UTC
Mmm. See, it isn't that cut and dried where I'm from. Because there are criminals that normal cops can't handle. So, people like me do and turn them over to specialized facilities that are supposedly made to handle them. And what about alien threats? Or interdimensional ones? These are things that we handle, because the regular authorities just aren't able to.

And yeah, it'd be great if they'd give us our credit, but they don't. However, they've got no problem stepping outta the way and letting us get hurt instead.

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beenwaitinglong December 3 2011, 20:51:11 UTC
But it really is that cut and dried.

Now, if you're trying to attach some sort of judgment to the term-- to say that a vigilante is something good or bad-- that's when things get more complex. It has nothing to do with what the police are equipped to handle. From a legal standpoint, you're vigilantes.

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thelittlestbub December 3 2011, 20:52:03 UTC
Then, you believe in a world where there can't be heroes?

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beenwaitinglong December 3 2011, 20:53:22 UTC
Hey now, we're talking about the definition of a vigilante. I never said a word about heroes.

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thelittlestbub December 3 2011, 20:58:13 UTC
Ah, but see, depending on your standpoint, one man's vigilante is another man's hero.

As I said, in my world, there were threats that the regular authorities - up to and including the standing militaries - just were not equipped to handle. We, meaning my merry little band of mutants, did. And we got nothing for it. No pay, no thanks, nothing. We weren't looking for it. We did it because it was the right thing to do.

Does that still make us vigilantes?

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beenwaitinglong December 3 2011, 21:03:02 UTC
Yes. Because you're not law enforcement officers, officially sanctioned or approved to have anything to do with the capture and processing of criminals.

It would seem you take the word "vigilante" as a bad thing, though as I said, its definition is really only in the status of the individual.

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thelittlestbub December 3 2011, 21:06:05 UTC
You're right, I do.

Because where I'm from the word 'mutant' is a curse. To use the word 'vigilante' to marginalize us further, when we aren't even considered human is just adding insult to injury.

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beenwaitinglong December 3 2011, 21:07:31 UTC
It's a legal term and nothing more. You don't need to be a mutant to be a vigilante.

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thelittlestbub December 3 2011, 21:17:27 UTC
Oh, I know. The Punisher is quite well known and as far as I know, completely human.

And ya know, I have to ask this: Why should I follow a law that doesn't consider me human?

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beenwaitinglong December 3 2011, 21:20:15 UTC
Because the law is flawed, but it is the backbone of society. It can be revised and refined as time goes by-- but if you hold no regard for it, in the minds of many, you lose the right to claim it should also protect you.

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thelittlestbub December 3 2011, 21:23:16 UTC
So, I'm being held to a law that gives me no protections, in some places makes it legal to hunt mutants, and will not even grant me some basic human rights... yet, if I defend myself in any way shape or form - without even bringing powers into it - I'm in the wrong. And you call it simply flawed.

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beenwaitinglong December 3 2011, 21:30:52 UTC
You didn't say anything about defending yourself. You asked why you should even follow the law. There is a massive difference between defending yourself from an attack and ignoring the law because it's unfair to you.

Not to mention that the laws of this world have absolutely no stipulations that make it legal to hunt mutants or people with powers. Perhaps the laws in your world did, but you're not held to that law anymore.

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thelittlestbub December 3 2011, 21:35:29 UTC
Really? Then... I imagined the hunts held by that one guy? Because that's, exactly, what he was doing: hunting people with 'interesting' powers.

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beenwaitinglong December 3 2011, 21:38:32 UTC
He's not the law, is he?

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thelittlestbub December 3 2011, 21:39:30 UTC
Aaand where's the law saying he's not allowed to do it? Or the law enforcers actually stepping up and stopping him?

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