Captain America: Civil War
For some reason this is my only Civil War icon on Dreamwidth. So, yes, I put on my hoodie of Captain Not Appearing In This Film and went to the matinee showing of CACW this morning.
I... really do not think I was in the right frame of mind for this movie, or something, because I kept just watching and thinking BUT WHY ARE THEY FIGHTING EACH OTHER. And, sure, the fight scenes were very nicely choreographed (hi, I see you stealing the big finale from Civil War #7), but I just kept thinking, whyyyy. I kept thinking, okay, surely now Steve is going to have some kind of moment where he realizes that he has caused massive amounts of collateral damage and he's going to stop fighting now because this is senseless and he's a hero. (I can't believe I'm actually defending Mark Millar's writing.) But no.
Like, I was waiting for something to happen that would make Steve realize this was pointless. But the tragic friendly-fire incident is on Tony's side (shades of Clor-vs-Goliath?), and Tony already started out the movie being haunted by death (and ended the movie haunted by death) and was pushing for the Accords as damage control, as I read it.
(Though, really, Tony, is recruiting AN ACTUAL KID something you really should be doing in your war?)
I think basically it all comes down to my beef with MCU Steve, which is that MCU Steve is a guy who would burn the world down for Bucky. And a lot of people clearly like this about him. And that was the ending we got. And you can say, well, you're not a Steve/Bucky shipper. And I'm not! But I don't think Steve should burn the world down for anyone at all. Even people I ship him with! I don't think 616 Steve should, anyway, and when he decides that the world should burn it is, in fact, a massive problem and everything is going to hell anyway. (See: the end of Hickmanvengers.)
So basically I was biased against it, I guess, so, uh, don't ask me.
I still think this should have been Avengers: Civil War, though.
I just spent the whole thing being like BUT WHY DON'T THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER and YOU MEAN THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF STEVE HAD TOLD TONY THE WINTER SOLDIER KILLED HIS PARENTS? I mean, yes, it's going to get you a completely and utterly irrational grief-stricken fight, go drama. But... why?
I feel like everyone on Steve's side joined because Steve "no, you move" Rogers (of all the things to put in this movie from the comics, why give that speech to Sharon?) is the moral center of the Marvel Universe, and Tony's side might have actually examined their reasons (minus Peter, who joined due to being a Tony fanboy, I guess), but I did like that the movie spent some time exploring the reasons.
Also I feel really bad for Wanda. I want to save Wanda from canon. Is there a Wanda Defense Squad? Also I want to see more of her interacting with everyone and not, you know, confined to quarters.
I also think that the movie conflated the question of Bucky's guilt and the Accords. Sure, Steve wasn't going to sign anyway, but there wasn't any reason he couldn't have signed and then gone after Bucky under the table. (Like Tony did, later on.) It's not like it would have been any more or less illegal if he'd signed.
A+ T'Challa, 10/10, would T'Challa again. Am looking forward to the Black Panther movie a lot. I really loved his arc here. Vengeance to responsibility, go you.
I liked a lot of the side-character stuff -- Sam in particular had some great lines -- and I think they managed the cast without it being unwieldy. So that was good.
I see a lot of people in Steve/Tony fandom squeeing about the ending and the feelings and "so was I" and I'm just like BUT THEY WEREN'T FRIENDS and there are already at least a dozen fics about Tony making that phone call, post-movie and I guess I just don't really personally ship them in the MCU? This is why I like comics, I guess.
(I still have comics CW fic to write for my bingo card, ha. Actually, I have to finish this RBB first. Then maybe comics CW fic.)
Also I have finally picked up and read the FCBD comics and oh God Civil War II is going to be a mess and I don't want it. But at least it's going to be a pretty mess. (The CWII section of the FCBD comic was one big stupid fight scene. With Thanos.) On the plus side, at least the new Wasp isn't Hope Van Dyne?
And, hey, I now have Captain America sleep pants.
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I... really do not think I was in the right frame of mind for this movie, or something, because I kept just watching and thinking BUT WHY ARE THEY FIGHTING EACH OTHER. And, sure, the fight scenes were very nicely choreographed (hi, I see you stealing the big finale from Civil War #7), but I just kept thinking, whyyyy. I kept thinking, okay, surely now Steve is going to have some kind of moment where he realizes that he has caused massive amounts of collateral damage and he's going to stop fighting now because this is senseless and he's a hero. (I can't believe I'm actually defending Mark Millar's writing.) But no.
Like, I was waiting for something to happen that would make Steve realize this was pointless. But the tragic friendly-fire incident is on Tony's side (shades of Clor-vs-Goliath?), and Tony already started out the movie being haunted by death (and ended the movie haunted by death) and was pushing for the Accords as damage control, as I read it.
(Though, really, Tony, is recruiting AN ACTUAL KID something you really should be doing in your war?)
I think basically it all comes down to my beef with MCU Steve, which is that MCU Steve is a guy who would burn the world down for Bucky. And a lot of people clearly like this about him. And that was the ending we got. And you can say, well, you're not a Steve/Bucky shipper. And I'm not! But I don't think Steve should burn the world down for anyone at all. Even people I ship him with! I don't think 616 Steve should, anyway, and when he decides that the world should burn it is, in fact, a massive problem and everything is going to hell anyway. (See: the end of Hickmanvengers.)
So basically I was biased against it, I guess, so, uh, don't ask me.
I still think this should have been Avengers: Civil War, though.
I just spent the whole thing being like BUT WHY DON'T THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER and YOU MEAN THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF STEVE HAD TOLD TONY THE WINTER SOLDIER KILLED HIS PARENTS? I mean, yes, it's going to get you a completely and utterly irrational grief-stricken fight, go drama. But... why?
I feel like everyone on Steve's side joined because Steve "no, you move" Rogers (of all the things to put in this movie from the comics, why give that speech to Sharon?) is the moral center of the Marvel Universe, and Tony's side might have actually examined their reasons (minus Peter, who joined due to being a Tony fanboy, I guess), but I did like that the movie spent some time exploring the reasons.
Also I feel really bad for Wanda. I want to save Wanda from canon. Is there a Wanda Defense Squad? Also I want to see more of her interacting with everyone and not, you know, confined to quarters.
I also think that the movie conflated the question of Bucky's guilt and the Accords. Sure, Steve wasn't going to sign anyway, but there wasn't any reason he couldn't have signed and then gone after Bucky under the table. (Like Tony did, later on.) It's not like it would have been any more or less illegal if he'd signed.
A+ T'Challa, 10/10, would T'Challa again. Am looking forward to the Black Panther movie a lot. I really loved his arc here. Vengeance to responsibility, go you.
I liked a lot of the side-character stuff -- Sam in particular had some great lines -- and I think they managed the cast without it being unwieldy. So that was good.
I see a lot of people in Steve/Tony fandom squeeing about the ending and the feelings and "so was I" and I'm just like BUT THEY WEREN'T FRIENDS and there are already at least a dozen fics about Tony making that phone call, post-movie and I guess I just don't really personally ship them in the MCU? This is why I like comics, I guess.
(I still have comics CW fic to write for my bingo card, ha. Actually, I have to finish this RBB first. Then maybe comics CW fic.)
Also I have finally picked up and read the FCBD comics and oh God Civil War II is going to be a mess and I don't want it. But at least it's going to be a pretty mess. (The CWII section of the FCBD comic was one big stupid fight scene. With Thanos.) On the plus side, at least the new Wasp isn't Hope Van Dyne?
And, hey, I now have Captain America sleep pants.
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