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silvaewolf

Education is FAIL in America.

Apr 24, 2010 23:18

Can I begin to explain how my state government is basically composed of mother fucking scheming bastards that are shorting us of our education?

It's because the main power of this nation wants to stay in power. They don't want to give any such advantage to those who are of the middle class or lower because those in power want things to stay the ( Read more... )

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rainy_days06 April 25 2010, 06:49:01 UTC

You can actually receive an excellent education from a community college for about half the price you just listed, in my experience. The thing about higher education is that it isn't considered necessary, only a tool to better yourself and while a lot of days it is very-nearly necessary the system is set up in the mind frame that it isn't. While the rising prices may have something to do with politics in your state, for the most part I'm willing to bet that it has more to do with the greed of the people running the school (the dean, ect), pay raises for professors, fancy new school facilities to attract new students, things like that ( ... )

phanthasm April 25 2010, 15:12:28 UTC

Not really, in many countries the government covers a lot of the costs for a student's education. In Belgium the tuition fee -- no matter what university or education -- is going to cost you only $750 A YEAR. In Sweden your entire education is FREE OF CHARGE. In my country the tuition fee is only $ 2500 A YEAR. And our education is just as good as any, my university is on the top of the world ranking and my bachelor of science is internationally acknowledge, it will be worth the same as somebody who has the degree in the USA while paying thousands of more for the tuition fee and other costs.

However it is difficult to compare different countries, for example those countries in Europe I just mentioned - ask a lot more taxes, because the government has to fund it from somewhere. So in the USA the tax rates are lower but the bill to any education is much higher.

rainy_days06 April 25 2010, 16:57:59 UTC

As you said; you pay higher taxes. Way higher taxes, I can't remember if it was you, Iris, or someone else that said you guys pay nearly 50% of your income into taxes. It isn't cheaper for you to have an education, you just pay for it differently. On top of that, I can get an education at a community college here in the US for less than what you pay for yours AND I pay lower taxes, and that is without government assistant programs to help pay for my tuition. You can label the price tag "taxes" or you can label it "tuition" but at the end of the day it is the same thing and is nearly the same amount of money.

Beyond all that, I never said that your education system was somehow less than the educational systems here in the US. o.O I was referring to third world countries.

phanthasm April 25 2010, 18:50:37 UTC

50% that is only to the top incomes of my country, you can't compare apples with pears and state they are the same. Also, do community college offer 4 year bachelor degrees and after that master degrees? If you're only referring to the AA degrees, once more you are comparing apples with pears and that's not the same. Because at the end of the day I can say I have my bachelor AND master degree without so much of a "student loan" because higher tertiary education is affordable.

I realize none of either situations are ideal but I do wish education in the USA would be cheaper because far too often I have seen people who have to pay lots of $$$$, have two to three jobs and student loans to finish the degree of their dreams.

rainy_days06 April 25 2010, 21:57:14 UTC

50% is more than what the top money makers in this country pay in taxes, just like the bottom half in your country pays more than the bottom half of mine in taxes. It is comparable, because you pay more there in taxes than you do here by rate of comparison for financial status ( ... )

phanthasm April 25 2010, 22:41:06 UTC

That's once more compare apples with pears. In the most regular and middle class of incomes USA people pay 25% of their money on taxes and in my country it's 31% of their income. If you say that 6% is paying off "my college loan" it's better to research the word social well-fare state whereas the USA allows more freedom. For example it's much more than that, a health care system, good social security, cheap education for everyone (and not only those who can afford it ( ... )

rainy_days06 April 26 2010, 01:38:59 UTC

I don't know where you're getting your statistic, but my husband and I - in the middle class, pay a little less than 10% in taxes to the government, so you pay quite a bit more than I do - three times as much ( ... )

phanthasm April 26 2010, 14:21:52 UTC

I don't think we'll agree on this matter.

However I'd like to end my phrase by saying I'm sorry for making you feel insulted. None of what I said was meant that way. And thank you for your (opposing) insights on the situation :)

silvaewolf May 2 2010, 23:07:10 UTC

If there was any way for myself to fulfill everything in my community college, I'd certainly go back to it. I loved my time at my community college, just because the professors are excellent and articulate, and the classes can give you a very fulfilling education. Unfortunately though, the career I'm shooting for *does* require a BA or higher. Trust me, if I could stop at an Associate's Degree for what I'm doing, I definitely would. I can see your point on how the rising tuition can also involve those people running the school as well, but the majority of it is from the state (my University is doing all that they can right now to attempt to make it affordable, even though it certainly isn't seeming that way ( ... )

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