Heh! Interesting. We really have never seen Bra'tac with anyone who's been identified as a lover or romantic partner, nor have we heard of any in his history, have we? Sure, he's a recurring character, but still. Considering how much focus is put on Teal'c's familial and romantic relationships, you'd think we'd have heard something. So he's basically wide open, and your angle makes as much sense as anything else. :)
Although, I do have to say that in the scene where Bra'tac is grinning at naked!Daniel, I just thought that was his way of laughing his ass off, but I like your interpretation too. :D
The whole sex among the Jaffa thing makes total sense. I've given it some thought myself from time to time, and sort of came to the same conclusion. I think a lot of people kind of liken it to the old Roman Army in which it was acceptable (I think. Tell me if I'm wrong as ancient Roman history is scarce in my head.) for straight men to have sex with other men or young boys and still be considered straight. It seems a good comparison to make too.
Although, I do think--and of course the show wouldn't write this--that it's logical to assume that the Goa'uld, although likely forbidding any personal relationships between the Jaffa and the 'cattle', might very well encourage rape as a means to harden the Jaffa to pleas of mercy and to instill fear in the people. This would also kind of play into Teal'c's vague confessions to doing horrible things that he thought even O'Neill wouldn't understand, during the ep where he goes on trial for killing that old, lame man.
Also, I would think condoms would be a standard part of the kit for SG-1. Even if they all insist it isn't for anything sexual, they can use them over the barrels of their rifles to protect them from sand and other caustic substances like our troops do in the Gulf. Totally not for when aliens make them have sex. At all. Riiiiiiight! :P
YES! You picked up on the two things I've thought of and didn't mention!
The Roman Army thing was *exactly* what I was thinking of, but then wasn't sure if it was the Romans or the Greeks. I've had practically no history classes on that/those eras. But yes, as I understand it, sex between men, especially younger/lower-ranked men was common and acceptable. Also not cheating on your wife, if you were married. I've always sort of assumed that the Jaffa were sort of modeled on the ancient Roman armies.
And rape. Yup, I suspect that rape was most likely a common entertainment for the Goa'uld. Promoting terror was their specialty and rape is one hell of a way to terrorize and dehumanize a population, not to mention harden your young warriors. I thought the same thing when Teal'c mentioned the horrible things he'd done in Cor-ai.
I always sort of figured that SG-1 would carry condoms, it was just really interesting to see that level of detail in a shot that only a few obsessive people like me would focus on and examine to a ridiculous degree ;)
See, I seemed to remember something about Ancient Greek culture about how it was somehow more... edifying? wholesome? Healthy? to have sex with boys as opposed to women in certain circles. But that could also be just something I read somewhere with no basis in actual culture.
My Ex called it 'situational homosexuality' as opposed to it being an actual preference thing. I don't know if that's a real term or not, but he had a degree in Psychology, so it could go either way.
It was mostly the Greeks, and it wasn't just the military. Rich boys got tutors in rhetoric/culture/poetry/math/whatever. Their tutors were supposed to make them men, and that often included sex. In fact, such relationships were quite idealized and romanticized. Nor was homosexuality considered infidelity. After all, it wasn't like a man could actually love a woman or have any kind of interesting/intellectual relationship, now, was it? Women were for recreation and the production of heirs. Men and boys were for serious relationships.
The Jews (and hence early Christians) were horrified by Greek sexual immorality in general. Rampant homosexuality that included pedophilia as a matter of course was the most graphic example. Which has a lot to do with attitudes toward sex that got handed down through the Christian church to the modern world.
The aliens, really tall, skinny guys with perpetual frowns, crowded close. "You will copulate."
SG-1 exchanged weary glances. They'd woken up naked, tangled together on a cold, hard metal floor that was hardly conducive to a little something something. Now they stood back to back, surrounded by towering, glowering sex-starved aliens. "You know, as much as I like you guys," Jack said to his team, "I'm gonna requisition some porn to hand out the next time this happens."
Shushing him, Daniel edged toward one of the aliens. "Um, we-"
"Copulate!" The alien shrieked. "Immediately!"
As if by instinct, Daniel stepped back, right onto Jack's toes, turning Jack's outraged sarcasm into an outraged yelp of pain, which was cut off by Teal'c's hand clapping over Jack's mouth to forestall any further interruption. "Please," Daniel threw up his hands in supplication. "We have rituals that must be followed." Ignoring Sam's amused snort, he pressed on before he lost his advantage. "In our bags, there are items we require, items necessary for
Suspiciously, Daniel's alien demanded, "Describe these items."
"They are small packets," Sam edged up next to Daniel, and he hooked an arm around her hip, pulling her against his side, smiling at his alien in what he hoped was a lascivious enough manner to prove their intent to cooperate. "Approxamitely seven centimeters square," and she held up her fingers to measure out the size in the air," dark green in color, with white text on one side."
Daniel's alien grabbed one of his fellows from somewhere in the crowd and squawked insistently until the alien ran off.
Twenty very awkward minutes later, the errand alien returned. Bits of green wrapper fell from the pockets of its robe, and hooting in what Daniel had to assume was mocking laughter, it waggled its fourteen lube-slicked, condom-covered fingers. The hooting was taken up by the entire crowd as the errand alien danced around the team, everyone pointing in turn at the obscenely flapping condoms and the members of SG-1.
Jack glanced down before discretely cupping his hands over his groin. "So Daniel, you think you can explain shrinkage?"
Romans: depends on the era. Homosexuality was real big in Greek circles, so in the time between when the Romans assimilated Greek culture and when they adopted Christianity, it would have been acceptable.
Although, I do have to say that in the scene where Bra'tac is grinning at naked!Daniel, I just thought that was his way of laughing his ass off, but I like your interpretation too. :D
The whole sex among the Jaffa thing makes total sense. I've given it some thought myself from time to time, and sort of came to the same conclusion. I think a lot of people kind of liken it to the old Roman Army in which it was acceptable (I think. Tell me if I'm wrong as ancient Roman history is scarce in my head.) for straight men to have sex with other men or young boys and still be considered straight. It seems a good comparison to make too.
Although, I do think--and of course the show wouldn't write this--that it's logical to assume that the Goa'uld, although likely forbidding any personal relationships between the Jaffa and the 'cattle', might very well encourage rape as a means to harden the Jaffa to pleas of mercy and to instill fear in the people. This would also kind of play into Teal'c's vague confessions to doing horrible things that he thought even O'Neill wouldn't understand, during the ep where he goes on trial for killing that old, lame man.
Also, I would think condoms would be a standard part of the kit for SG-1. Even if they all insist it isn't for anything sexual, they can use them over the barrels of their rifles to protect them from sand and other caustic substances like our troops do in the Gulf. Totally not for when aliens make them have sex. At all. Riiiiiiight! :P
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YES! You picked up on the two things I've thought of and didn't mention!
The Roman Army thing was *exactly* what I was thinking of, but then wasn't sure if it was the Romans or the Greeks. I've had practically no history classes on that/those eras. But yes, as I understand it, sex between men, especially younger/lower-ranked men was common and acceptable. Also not cheating on your wife, if you were married. I've always sort of assumed that the Jaffa were sort of modeled on the ancient Roman armies.
And rape. Yup, I suspect that rape was most likely a common entertainment for the Goa'uld. Promoting terror was their specialty and rape is one hell of a way to terrorize and dehumanize a population, not to mention harden your young warriors. I thought the same thing when Teal'c mentioned the horrible things he'd done in Cor-ai.
I always sort of figured that SG-1 would carry condoms, it was just really interesting to see that level of detail in a shot that only a few obsessive people like me would focus on and examine to a ridiculous degree ;)
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See, I seemed to remember something about Ancient Greek culture about how it was somehow more... edifying? wholesome? Healthy? to have sex with boys as opposed to women in certain circles. But that could also be just something I read somewhere with no basis in actual culture.
My Ex called it 'situational homosexuality' as opposed to it being an actual preference thing. I don't know if that's a real term or not, but he had a degree in Psychology, so it could go either way.
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The Jews (and hence early Christians) were horrified by Greek sexual immorality in general. Rampant homosexuality that included pedophilia as a matter of course was the most graphic example. Which has a lot to do with attitudes toward sex that got handed down through the Christian church to the modern world.
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SG-1 exchanged weary glances. They'd woken up naked, tangled together on a cold, hard metal floor that was hardly conducive to a little something something. Now they stood back to back, surrounded by towering, glowering sex-starved aliens. "You know, as much as I like you guys," Jack said to his team, "I'm gonna requisition some porn to hand out the next time this happens."
Shushing him, Daniel edged toward one of the aliens. "Um, we-"
"Copulate!" The alien shrieked. "Immediately!"
As if by instinct, Daniel stepped back, right onto Jack's toes, turning Jack's outraged sarcasm into an outraged yelp of pain, which was cut off by Teal'c's hand clapping over Jack's mouth to forestall any further interruption. "Please," Daniel threw up his hands in supplication. "We have rituals that must be followed." Ignoring Sam's amused snort, he pressed on before he lost his advantage. "In our bags, there are items we require, items necessary for
Suspiciously, Daniel's alien demanded, "Describe these items."
"They are small packets," Sam edged up next to Daniel, and he hooked an arm around her hip, pulling her against his side, smiling at his alien in what he hoped was a lascivious enough manner to prove their intent to cooperate. "Approxamitely seven centimeters square," and she held up her fingers to measure out the size in the air," dark green in color, with white text on one side."
Daniel's alien grabbed one of his fellows from somewhere in the crowd and squawked insistently until the alien ran off.
Twenty very awkward minutes later, the errand alien returned. Bits of green wrapper fell from the pockets of its robe, and hooting in what Daniel had to assume was mocking laughter, it waggled its fourteen lube-slicked, condom-covered fingers. The hooting was taken up by the entire crowd as the errand alien danced around the team, everyone pointing in turn at the obscenely flapping condoms and the members of SG-1.
Jack glanced down before discretely cupping his hands over his groin. "So Daniel, you think you can explain shrinkage?"
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I might die of amusement here. :D
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This is a thing of beauty! Now I owe you a drink at Dragoncon! surrealphantast will get you drunk all on our own ;)
Thanks so much! That was wonderful!
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