Love Jason Time!

[shiny_glor_chan]

So, I was talking to callarkhamquick about Fabian Nicieza taking over the Red Robin title, and that's a man I liked writing Jason. The few issues at the of the Robin series with Jason in them were lovely, and it'd be very fitting for the original owner of this Red Robin suit/identity show up

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[schizoauthoress]

Jason has a unique backstory, with connections to the heroes in a type and degree that I can't recall another "anti-hero/villain" having (with Batman, at least). As someone in another comic book site said, if there's any place for shades of gray in the DC comics world, it's the Batman line. Making Jason a clear-cut black-and-white villain is a disservice not only to Jason himself, but to the mythos that created him.

I've got more to say; I just can't think of it right now.

[wierdbot]

See, the thing about DC (that I hatehatehatehate) is that they take themselves waaay too seriously. They have a lot of recurring themes that they keep chucking back out at the readers every few years and, quite frankly, it's getting old. Like, waaay old. (E.g. The multiverse crisis things as an excuse for retcons, the age old 'Oh no, so-and-so killed someone! THEY ARE THE EVILEST THING THAT WAS EVER EVIL! EVER! LET'S FORGET OUR PAST RELATIONSHIPS WITH SO-AND-SO AND VILLAINISE THEM BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION!' and there is of course the wonderful 'Hmm, this character's life doesn't seem too screwy. Let's kill off a member of their family!' plotline...) There's also this thing DC does- where all their main characters have to have the moral high-ground (and also be unhappy or something IDK)- it's like they're afraid Fredrick Wertham is going to rise from the grave and start hurling copies of Seduction of the Innocent at them or something

[porntestpilot]

'Oh no, so-and-so killed someone! THEY ARE THE EVILEST THING THAT WAS EVER EVIL! EVER!

AUGH. WHY? Marc seems to be the only person who was able to get around that and as soon as Manhunter was in other books it was immediately mentioned with BC calling her a murderer like BC wasn't in front of a house full of people who have all killed at some point or another. So tired.

Maybe I got it wrong, but they way I understood it is that the reason Batman's so uptight about other people in his city is because he doesn't want other people doing what he does (which is hurting people. A lot) without fully understanding the responsibilities and that what makes (made?) him so great as a character was his capacity for compassion and the fact that he cares about everyone he saves/isn't able to save.

They tossed that all out with Damian. I know Dick made him Robin in attempt to teach him these things, but as a larger issue letting him do these things at all tossed out all claims to this idea. The Bat family is basically dead now - they might as

[shiny_glor_chan]

Also, in a larger sense, Jason kills rapists and shit, am I supposed to be sad about this? I'm not.

They bitch and bitch about the no kill rule, but they forget about three women in their Batfamily that would kill if needed (Helena and both Kates). And Dick's killed the Joker in the past. Whatever. Hypocrisy, meh.

[porntestpilot]

Just tell them flat out that there is at least one fan [me] that will not buy a comic if it fucks over Jason Todd no matter what else they put in it. I'm sick of spending money on crappy comics.

[shiny_glor_chan]

<3<3<3 Well put. XD

[tamerlane]

Dear DC,

Hey! Remember Sargon? You know, the guy you left in Hell? Alive? Please put some of the focus on him. He has potential to be really popular, considering how similar he is to John Constantine. Or heck, how about more focus on the Shadowpact? I know they aren't popular, but if you marketed them correctly and actually used them, this would not be a problem. How about bringing back Nightmaster? He is alive in Myrra, after all. Considering you just brought back (Sebastian) Faust from nearly a decade of doing nothing just to use him for plot, you should further be ashamed of yourselves. Faust was awesome (except in Black Baptism because the art was terrible and the story itself was just, ugh -- though this reminds me! Thank you for removing the soulpatch from Faust's face again. Those are gross.).

In addition, Jason Todd? Seriously, guys. Stop writing as if you want things to be retconned. Here's a fantastic idea! Why don't you do it right the first time? No one gets angry. Characters aren't hated. Writers aren't threatened.

[shiny_glor_chan]

Haha, I love how you went on your own little tangent about DC. XD And do it right the first time. YES. XD <3

...oh god. Bek would kill things if Willingham wrote everything. I think I'd cry too and hide Steph ASAP.

[tamerlane]

I'M JUST RAGING A LOT ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO THE MAGIC CROWD, ESP. FAUST II. HE JUST DISAPPEARS FOR TEN YEARS AND THEY BRING HIM BACK FOR BRIGHTEST DAY. WHY? OTHER THAN FOR PLOT DEVICE (AND THEN TO DITCH HIM AGAIN ;;).

But yeah. It'd be nice if they just sat down and went "...yeah, this is kinda dumb. Let's change this so we don't have to later! Also, it won't confuse readers as much!" Or maybe just read their own gd forums for suggestions and ideas -- or at least to see if people really hate or like something and work on that lkasdjsf /rages forever at dc.

They're still more gentle than Morrison ever was (I love what they did for the Shadowpact, even though Nightmaster went off to be a super-knight-guy in Myrra and leave June after their ~not!confession of love~).

[shiny_glor_chan]

I know nothing about the magic crowd. :/ I'm just so confused where to even start with that, you know?

God, the retcons, they hurt brains so bad, even if they're for the better. :/

[shiny_glor_chan]

It shouldn't be that hard, but I guess we're smarter than a majority of their writers. Or you know, we do research and backread the damn characters we love/write for fanfics! >>;;

Oh god, so do I, so hard. XD

[shobogan]

I am conflicted, because I loved what he did with Jason and hated what he did with Steph.

HMM. I think one of Jason's biggest problems is that DC wants to write in black and white, and he doesn't fall into either - and he's hardly the only character who suffers for this. Let him make SENSE, don't just make him a blood-drenched strawman for Batman to beat down. Let him talk about all the reoffenders who scar and ruin and end peoples' lives. Let him talk about his FATHER choosing the JOKER over his SON. Let Batman be struck speechless or look guilty or admit he made mistakes once in a while.

And this goes for all the Bats - let the Batfamily be a Batfamily. All of them.

[shiny_glor_chan]

...oh yes. Hmm, well, at least with Nicieza, we know he'd follow what his predecessor was doing, which should include characterization, so as long as the Batgirl series doesn't go completely OOC on us, we should be good? One would hope...

DC's biggest problem IS all the black and white. I don't want to read black and white. It's boring, predictable, and overdone. Play in the gray, dammit. There's so much THERE. :/

[bodilesswarrior]

I will keep my fingers crossed. Steph having her own title should definitely help - and I have some issues with Millar, but Steph isn't one of them. Well, I'd like it if her father was mentioned, but considering DC's apparent EVIL IS GENETIC stance, I can see why he wouldn't. :|

YES. And Batman has SO MUCH potential for it. Most of his villains are far more interesting that way, too. (I hate, say, Dixon's Two-Face, because he's just pure evil, which really misses the point.)

Of course, I don't want the heroes to be TOO ambiguous - I think they hit the balance with Barbara fairly well, most of the time, in that she's compassionate but she can be pragmatic and ruthless if it's needed. Whereas Batman manipulates young children.

[shiny_glor_chan]

I want them to mention her baby. >>;; I can see not mentioning her father unless something brings it up. No one wants to talk about shitty fathers unless a circumstance brings it up. I should know. >>;;

Whereas Batman manipulates young children.

Lol, and it's sooooo true too. >>;;