Okay then....:/ (Supernatural Finale Thoughts)

[sherrilina]

I only had the chance to watch the finale(s) a few hours ago, earlier tonight with dinner, and luckily I managed to remain unspoiled before watching (I was super extra paranoid and didn't even open any notification emails of posts from those of you who I know watched SN to be on the safe side, let alone go anywhere else fandomy online).  My

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[galathea_snb]

Well, I don't think the development for Castiel was character assassination at all. I mean, they showed very believably how Castiel came to turn to the wrong path. Nothing of what we saw in 6.20 has been out of character. In 6.21 Castiel then tried several times to reach out to Dean - in a manner that made it impossible for Dean to trust him, but still - and found himself refused. So I think it was only logical that Castiel, who at that point felt denied by his friends, abandoned by God and betrayed by his allies, cut his losses and pushed ahead at all costs, because that was the only thing left to do for him. All he had done would have been for nothing, had he stopped at this point.

It's like when Sam killed Cindy in 'Sympathy For The Devil'. He simply knew no other way out of the dilemma than to press forward, especially after he heard the Dean's fake voicemail. And the power-high Castiel we see in the last 5 minutes of the episodes is clearly 'our Castiel'. Swallowing those souls changed him into someone else, he is not himself in that moment - it's more like he is possessed. So yeah, I thought Castiel's development was comprehensible and nothing really struck me as completely out of character. :)

[francy_m79]

It's not out of character, and the fall into darkness makes sense. But they didn't have to go there.

They can turn Sam dark because in the end you know it's gonna be alright, because Sam and Dean are the only safe characters on the show. Even though Castiel has maybe as many fans as the brothers, he isn't safe, and if this is the way they have chosen to finally write him off the show, well, that's very disappointing for the people who happen to care about this character.

Even if they redeem him before the end, too much will have been ruined in the process.

[sherrilina]

Thank you, I think this is what I was mainly trying to vocalize with the "character assassination" thing, but failed. :/ I do not want THIS to be the way Cas is written off the show, and also I feel like its worse than the Sam thing, maybe for the reasons you said. :(

[galathea_snb]

Well, ultimately the writers don't have to go anywhere. But I think it was good storytelling and finally allowed the brothers to angst about someone other than each other. The traitor in your midst is always the more interesting storyline than some generic Big Bad.

See, I don't think the writers would simply write Castiel off like that. I would be very surprised if they didn't have a plot twist coming our way in the S7 opener that will ultimately redeem Castiel. Personally I don't think that Cas will be the Big Bad of S7, I think they will resolve the situation in the season opener. And I may not care much about Cas, but I think the writers very much do and I doubt they would give such a beloved character a send-off like that. In this case I actually have some faith in the writers. ;)

[sherrilina]

(Lol I assume you meant "Lucifer Rising" as far as Cindy and Sam? ;).)

I know, but I agree with Francy that it's a bit different from Sam, a bit worse--you yourself said that you can never forgive the Sam hell wall thing, and also that you think this is the way he's going to be written off the show....I don't want this for Cas, being a Big Bad in s7 arc or anything even if just in the opener. :( I hope you are right about the possessed thing, but the question is can he be transformed back? Gamble's comments about this being a transformation and key development for Cas don't comfort me...

[galathea_snb]

ROFL yeah, of course I meant Lucifer Rising. Dunno how that happened! LOL

Well, I had a hard time to forgive Sam for choking Dean in 4.21 as well, and I have never been okay with Dean brutally beating soulless Sam in 6.06 either. But since then I have seen both of them trying to make amends and working towards being better men and coming to terms with their mutual past. I admit, I am harder on Castiel because I've never felt that he has truly grown out of his bad habit to not take responsibility for his choices. Besides, destroying Sam's wall was just the straw that broke the camel's back, because I've not yet forgiven him for letting Sam out of the panic room or for blaming all his choices on Dean. The only reason I forgave him beating Dean to a bloody pulp in 5.18 was because he explicity apologised for that.

I can't really imagine that they make Castiel the Big Bad of S7 - especially if Misha will not be a regular anymore. And personally I think the writers love Castiel too much to let him go out without redeeming him in some manner. I have trust that they will find a satisfying way to deal with his status. I mean, he integrated millions of souls of hungry monsters into himself, so I find it not hard to believe that he is 'dark' right now. It's possible, however, that his vessel can't contain that kind of power and needs to release it in some way. If that should happen, I can see plenty of scenarios in which Castiel could redeem himself in the process. :)

[sherrilina]

Yeah, I was going to say, how could ~The Expert~ be citing incorrect episode titles? :p ;)

Well I sure hope you are right as far as the writers are concerned, you seem to keep being right about other stuff so...:)

(Oh and it's "I have a hard time forgiving," not "to forgive"--basically in English we more often use the present progressive -ing form in the place of where at least Spanish uses the infinitive form, IDK what it is like in German...;). I noticed you doing this a couple other times so I thought you might like to know...)

[galathea_snb]

Really, I have trust in this team of writers. There has never been a good character on the show that didn't get a heroic/sympathetic send-off - even 'shady' characters like Gabriel got their moment of glory. I may not be the biggest Cas fan, but even I don't want to see his character go out that way, so I doubt the writers would want it. :)

Oh and it's "I have a hard time forgiving

ROFL that's how I had it first and then I changed it. I should trust my instincts more.

[sherrilina]

Heh, is that a thing in German I wonder? I was just reading some tweets from the con in Germany (which had both Jared AND Jensen there man, where were you?! :p) over the weekend which did that too...;)

[galathea_snb]

When I heard about the Con, the tickets had already been sold out! I am not sure if I would survive actually seeing the JJs in person. LOL

[sherrilina]

Oh no, bummer! :( And lol I know what you mean, I'm kind of nervous myself about seeing Jared and Misha this summer, since given my reaction to just seeing my favorite author who was a female and not someone I found really attractive in addition to everything else...;)

[galathea_snb]

I hear ya! I really should be too old for this kind of 'my god I am going to faint should I ever see them' fangirling, but sadly, I am not. The thought alone has my heart racing and my palms sweating. I would probably totally embarrass the poor guys. LOL