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seshathawk January 9 2013, 01:02:18 UTC
12. Haha, well, I don’t see Archie/Red but I saw the other two for sure ( ... )

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seraya7 January 9 2013, 02:07:11 UTC
2. Archie has pretty recently climbed the ranks of my favorites, and so many interviews with the creators kept harping on the idea that they want to be the kind of show that kills off characters to prove it's real or something (I feel reasonably certain now that they were bluffing without quite being dishonest.). I would like to say I should have known better (OUAT has not thus far been that kind of show; there have been exactly 3 deaths of characters who appeared in more than one episode), but I have been burned before. I'm just trying not to jinx it or something I guess. Shrug ( ... )

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seraya7 January 9 2013, 05:08:35 UTC
Forgot to say: I didn't mean that I had a problem with Emma, I meant that perhaps I thought she was the coolest of her family in the episode.

Also, just to clarify: I am mostly playing devil's advocate re Regina. No amount of crimes should stand in the way of a quality redemption story IMO. It's all just thoughts I had after reading the opinionated Internet that seemed like interesting discussion stuff. OUaT has been doing a pretty good job of glossing over potential grittiness while not completely ignoring it either, and I wouldn't want them to go there in what is for me a relatively fluffy show. I just like to discuss. I totally understand if you don't like that topic and don't want to discuss it. :)

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seshathawk January 11 2013, 01:20:44 UTC
2. Well, I think that is a fair concern to have. It's true that in terms of important characters, Archie is pretty low in the ranks. (I think possibly I love him because he is the "normal guy" amongst all the heroes and fairies and magic weirdos, the guy who is capable of helping people using his brain. Also because he had adorable reddish curls.) However, I personally feel that the "normal" TV rules do not apply to OUAT on account of it is an ABC/Disney familyish show. It doesn't get very adult; even when it tries to, it's pretty glazed over. Graham was obviously conceived to be killed after a certain point, but that doesn't mean the other characters are up for death. But then I think of poor, beautiful, stunted Heroes, which had a lovely array of minor characters that were either sacrificed on the Altar of Sylar or mysteriously vanished due to not being as attractive/popular as Peter, Nathan, Claire, possibly Noah, and, as always, SYLAR ( ... )

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seraya7 January 11 2013, 02:46:03 UTC
There's a part of me that tentatively thinks maybe they're not even allowed to kill off the popular Disney characters, since they had to ask permission to use them anyway... but I may have just made that up. I don't want this to be the kind of show where I worry whether my favorites will survive. (Graham doesn't count; I had no strong feelings about him until his episode and he promptly died. That's not the same as developing a favorite over time and then having them killed off.) I agree that part of Archie's appeal is that he's a different kind of character than all the other guys (although I am fairly sure that I came around to love him via feeling sorry for him, which, okay.) and I feel they really need to keep some of that variation and different perspectives around, rather than packing the cast with leather-pantsed guylinered pretty boys who are rougish and flirt with Emma. :P ( ... )

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seshathawk January 14 2013, 00:16:06 UTC
Your thoughts on Archie and character deaths are interesting and again remind me of Heroes. I maybe wasn't super clear when I mentioned it before; one of the strong points of the minor characters on Heroes was that there was a wide variety of characters with a wide variety of powers--male, female, COCs, powerful, moderately powerful, not very powerful at all, nervous, controlled, middle class, lower class, what-have-you. Even just regarding the ones with powers, we had Eden, Monica, Maya and her brother, that guy who exploded glasses--I mean, even just think of the major-minor characters that got shoved aside from season to season, like Elle, even poor Mohinder and Tracey/Jessica/Nikki. Why did they get shoved aside? Because (from my POV) they were not as important/pretty/interesting enough as the main four or five characters the show dwelt on. They lent balance to the show and they were either amped up or killed or vanished, or sometimes all three ( ... )

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seshathawk January 14 2013, 00:17:05 UTC
14. You know, I guess I don't know how to feel about Regina. I guess I am irritated that no one in the town is even attempting to be nice to her despite the fact that she is trying really hard. I don't like it when people are antagonized from every angle and that's what I'm seeing with Regina, so I just want her to win, even a little! I don't even want her to try, I just want someone to accept her, and now that Emma and Henry have turned against her, I fear the worst. Sidebar: do you really think she doesn't realize she was wrong? Do you think she's faking it to sort of half-ass her redemption ( ... )

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seraya7 January 14 2013, 00:58:54 UTC
Actually, the reason Eden, Elle, Mohinder, and Tracey/Niki/Jessica were written out was, in each case, actor availability. I distinctly recall that v5 of Heroes was supposed to have a lot more Mohinder and Tracey, but the writers basically bent over backwards to accommodate the actor's prior commitments and the story may have suffered somewhat for it. That's also the reason many of the minor characters on OUaT have vanished-Ella, Sydney, Jefferson, possibly Kathryn, possibly August. Without being regulars, the odds are high that an actor will take on another job, since they're only getting paid per appearance anyway. It's not like they can be constantly available. That, I suppose, is the real danger of an ensemble show-the show can't afford to have twenty regulars, so they run the risk of not being able to use the actors they choose not to hire in that capacity. I can't believe I forgot about the more relevant behind-the-scenes stuff ( ... )

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