There's a lot here (and in all the posts/conversations on this--I think I've got at least 10 open tabs and gave up trying to track it all around 2 am this morning) to parse out
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There's a lot here (and in all the posts/conversations on this--I think I've got at least 10 open tabs and gave up trying to track it all around 2 am this morning) to parse out.
May God (or chosen Deity or philosophy of choice) go with you.
And yes, that was pretty much my post. The hardest position in any debate is the center; it's easier to cheer for the dramatic, and the center isn't dramatic and it's unpopular and they'll get the most defriendings and the most revile. They deserve so much better.
I've been reading. I've not gone to the convention but this pretty much covers anything, controversial or otherwise. Compromise is key. Without it, all you seem to have is shouting and the dreaded dogma.
Posts like these are why I love you. Because what you say is so true. I wish people weren't so damned rigid in their thinking - there'd be far less arguments
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Though I'd like to add a #5 to your list - irrational ≠ invalid. No opinion is 'less than' because the person's emotions are obvious in the delivery of it, not in a space where four-fifths of the people will be dealing with stuff that they can't just 'turn off'.
Dismissing and/or erasing people because what they say comes from a place of emotion and might not be expressed in the best possible way just pisses me off. Pisses me off pretty much more than anything else in debate/discussion.
When I see people so upset and hurt and frustrated by the VVC stuff, or any other discussion of its ilk - I salute anyone who can put their raw emotions from the negativity surrounding that in a box and post something without that rage, hurt and frustration leeching in. But they aren't most people and I feel such rage every time someone is dismissed because their emotions leech in. You can't have this kind of discussion without there being anger, hurt, etc.
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*sends hugs and cookies*
*...and a unicorn*
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May God (or chosen Deity or philosophy of choice) go with you.
And yes, that was pretty much my post. The hardest position in any debate is the center; it's easier to cheer for the dramatic, and the center isn't dramatic and it's unpopular and they'll get the most defriendings and the most revile. They deserve so much better.
I want to make them a flag.
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Thank you. I WILL TAKE ANY HELP I CAN GET. *deep breath, dives in*
A unicorn (or pony, YMMV) holding a flag in its adorable mouth!!
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*hugs you*
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Well reasoned!
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*grins* I am a fan of compromise. God knows it's what gets me through most days.
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Though I'd like to add a #5 to your list - irrational ≠ invalid. No opinion is 'less than' because the person's emotions are obvious in the delivery of it, not in a space where four-fifths of the people will be dealing with stuff that they can't just 'turn off'.
That's a good point to make.
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Dismissing and/or erasing people because what they say comes from a place of emotion and might not be expressed in the best possible way just pisses me off. Pisses me off pretty much more than anything else in debate/discussion.
When I see people so upset and hurt and frustrated by the VVC stuff, or any other discussion of its ilk - I salute anyone who can put their raw emotions from the negativity surrounding that in a box and post something without that rage, hurt and frustration leeching in. But they aren't most people and I feel such rage every time someone is dismissed because their emotions leech in. You can't have this kind of discussion without there being anger, hurt, etc.
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