because it is very early and I'm very awake

Sep 23, 2006 05:49

The horrible danger of insomnia combined with friendsfriends--God. It's *crack*. I am totally understanding the draw. Currently working on avoiding ep reviews nad spoilers, since I haen't watched The Return yet ( Read more... )

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starry_diadem September 23 2006, 11:40:27 UTC
It's part of the whole insecure 'I have to beef up my favourite's talent/angst/woobiness by doing down his nearest rival on the show' thing. It's as if they can't quite believe the superlativeness of Hewlett if they can't prove it by trashing everything about Flanigan.

There are whole stories out there doing Rodney-angst that can only rack up Rodney's pain by making John so OOC/horrible/vindictive that he's downright unrecognisable. A certain long Vicisstiudes of St Rodney epic is being posted right now, with Rodney's post-Trinity pain augmented by John and Elizabeth being so mean that you can almost read it to a soundtrack of "He was despised" from the Messiah.

Flanigan may never win an Oscar, but he's a created a John Sheppard that I like loads. Hewlett may be the better actor - he's certainly more versatile - but I don't think he needs this sort of pathetic support from his fangurls to prove it. I don't feel the need to denigrate Hewlett in order to bolster my love of Joe - why can't they be grown up enough to return the

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clarkangel September 23 2006, 12:55:25 UTC
GOd yes. You said it better than I tried too. I hate those stories. I pretty much HATE FANON Rodney period. There are some fabulous writers who do Rodney and McShep and Shep so perfectly in character. BUt those others just write this John that doesn't exist to make Rodney a Rodney Sue. It's horrifying.

And for the most part I've learned not to say anything against Hewlett. I'm not a big fan of his, but I do feel and I've seen it all over, that Flanigan fans don't tend to dis Hewlett/Rodney to praise Flanigan/Shep. It's nice.

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seperis September 23 2006, 17:12:57 UTC
*nod* Exactly to everything.

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seperis September 23 2006, 17:12:38 UTC
God, I *know*. Victimized!McKay annoys me as much as Super!God!Perfect!McKay. Both variations on the same basic theme. And both require every other character to be less competent/less interesting/*less period* to show that.

It's--disconcerting. God.

And yeah. As a rule, though there are exceptions, the very few people I know who prefer Sheppard to McKay? Simply don't do this.

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suzvoy September 23 2006, 11:54:01 UTC
What I can't quite work out is how slamming Joe comes into a essay about how great DH is. Is that--supporting evidence or something? That kind of loses me in wondering what on earth the point is. I'm not sure how repeating in various formats how *much* Joe sucks is somehow going to make the DH adulation more convincing. I mean, I was sort of convinced without it? Then I just got irritated.This kind of thing happens in fandom all the time, in all different kinds of areas ( ... )

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seperis September 23 2006, 17:13:49 UTC
That never, ever stops amusing me. I have pairings that give me the ubersquick? But they don't actually *affect* my pairing of choice. So not so much with the caring about them.

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emrinalexander September 24 2006, 01:12:55 UTC
I don't get ship wars, period. I mean, yeh, I think Beckett/Sheppard is ludicrous and Beckett/McKay about as exciting as watching paint dry, to pick two examples, but I don't feel the need to stomp around telling people they're complete morons if that's what they like to read. (Unless everybody stops writing McShep, and then I'll pout a lot).

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hoktauri July 20 2011, 18:06:36 UTC
Hmmm... I kinda do this with McKay/Keller. But the way I feel about that pairing "getting in the way" of McShep is a lot different then the way I feel about Sam/Jack and/or Jack/Daniel. With Jack, I could see either pairing, and all the characters stand well on their own. With McKay, I kinda feel that Keller was introduced to "beef up" McKay's image, so to speak, and downplay the extremely overt slashy subtext that ran like kudzu through season 4 of SGA. Also, Keller as a character... doesn't really have any character. She's like window-dressing. Annoying window-dressing. And it's totally the writers' fault because Jewel Staite is an awesome actress, and she did what she could with the role. (I LOVED her in Firefly. Kaylee!)

Anyway, I agree with this post! ^-_-^

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mandragora1 September 23 2006, 11:59:38 UTC
Here from friendsfriends (am currently crusing around looking at episode reviews as I've watched The Return and am filled with love. *g*).

I know what you mean. It pisses me off, so much so that when a fannish friend came round the other evening, and even though she's not into SGA at all, I insisted on showing her Common Ground to prove that Joe can act, because in the aftermath of the life-sucking torture all he's got to emote with is his eyes, and, God, they showed everything - all his pain and horror.

I'm pleased to report it was a total success and she agreed that, yes, that was good acting - and she's not the type who agrees just for the sake of it.

I love Rodney and think DH is a fine, fine actor, with a huge range. JF's is narrower, I think, from watching things both of them have been in, but it doesn't mean JF hasn't done some decent work. Objectively, I think DH is the better actor, but that doesn't mean that JF is actively bad. He's certainly good enough to make me love the character of John Sheppard with an unholy ( ... )

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seperis September 23 2006, 17:15:22 UTC
Actually, I can take the criticism of JF's acting much more from people who I know to be Sheppard fans, because they do it with love, although even then I don't necessarily agree with them.

Yeah. *g* I feel the same thing about Sheppard criticism as well. It's just--if they go in already having teh character/actor at a disadvantage in their head? I'm just not interested in the opinion, because there is no way to work with that in discussion.

Plus, it just pisses me off.

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20thcenturyvole September 23 2006, 12:01:04 UTC
(For the purpose of this comment, I will leave out that I think Keanu Reeves has exactly two expressions, 'blank' and 'righteous anger', and only pulls out the second for special occasions. Ahem.)

I am continually baffled by the mocking of JF, too. Certainly he's made some... slightly odd acting choices sometimes, but he's made John Sheppard into a great, complex, intriguing character, at once charmingly goofy and borderline sociopathic - and has proved that he can act his pert little tushy off when he wants to (see Phantoms for a recent example).

I think the reason that flamboyant characters get so much attention is... well, there are two reasons. For one thing, they're flamboyant: if they're not getting your attention in some way, the actor's not doing his job. For another thing, it takes a hell of an actor to take a character who is so constantly 'on', who is meant to be in-your-face and slightly over the top. There is so much potential for a character like that to set the viewers' teeth on edge every time he comes onscreen, so ( ... )

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druidspell September 23 2006, 13:00:55 UTC
*agrees almost 100% even about Keanu Reeves*

It's easy to think that DH is amazing for a few reasons.
1) He is amazing. He's an incredibly versatile actor with a lot of experience, and it shows.
2) As Rodney McKay, he is flamboyant to an extent that I think there should be another word for it. Every time DH is onscreen on SGA, there is no way for him to sit quietly in the background; when Rodney is in a scene, there is always some peripheral part of the scene that is focused on him ( ... )

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seperis September 23 2006, 17:17:12 UTC
YES HE CAN!

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amireal September 23 2006, 12:07:06 UTC
So very tired, so really short for now ( ... )

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serabut September 23 2006, 13:47:48 UTC
JF makes against the grain choices for the typical action hero. It throws people off entirely. Discuss.

For me, that's it; that's it exactly. I kid around with the perceived fandom opinion that JF can't act, but that said, I'm aware that often is noted in comparison to DH, which as you said, 'louder', and so, not a very fair comparison.

The disconnect between his role type and how he's actually playing it is what makes the character Sheppard interesting to me. Someone (was it cesperanza?) described JF as a comedic actor trapped in a leading man body, and that's a description that both makes me giggle and something I agree with.

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wickedwords September 23 2006, 16:35:08 UTC
Someone described JF as a comedic actor trapped in a leading man body

Uhm, that would have been me. *g* It was in Ces's LJ, during one of the discussions of JF's acting. Actually, I am loving that they are giving him more to do stuff with during the 2nd half of this part of the season, with Common Ground and Phantoms.

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serabut September 23 2006, 16:37:07 UTC
Uhm, that would have been me. *g*

Well, hello you! :) At least I got the general vicinity of the comment correct. :)

Totally with you re: JF's acting opportunities.

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