I wrote a Crichton/Scorpius story once that wasn't actually non-con, but given that it basically involved breaking Crichton down to the point of self-destructiveness, maybe it wasn't much better. :)
Lastly, I find the justification for this I've seen - "Martha deserves a time lord, the Master is hot, clearly they should be together" - absolutely idiotic.
OMG, do people actually say that? *does the faceplam-headdesk dance of fannish despair*
...and then they go on about how Yana proves the Master is at his core a really nice guy, which proves the Master clearly would be single-mindedly devoted to Martha, never ever make thoughtless and/or insulting remarks and treat her like a treasure.... yeah.
...can I find your Crichton/Scorpius via your userinfo, just to check?
WAIT. WAIT. I did not understand you meant that zine was going to be Blake/Servelan. Now---now I'd just so befuddled I wand to read it and cry into its pages in wonderment since it does indeed, as you say, actually work.
Also Martha/Master might provide an interesting fic if someone dealt with all the HORRIBLENESS of what would draw either of them into it/how it would function? But I have a hard time seeing Master w/ Human Wimmins. Not from a 'silly OTP kid, monolithic views of pairings are for kids' thing. Though I admit, I have my squicks. and know myself to be sadly loyal to a pairing once I’ve decided that that’s just how the characters MO/emotional dynamics workI just have trouble wrapping my brain around 'and then the most arrogant, intelligence obsessed, single-minded alien ever born formed a meaningful connection with a newly-introduced member of a species he found primitive, and then their relationship was functional and of some duration, and also the sex was good.’ I mean, no hate on Martha, she’s a good character who has
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Yes, exactly. Martha was both sane and self-reliant enough to recognize an emotionally unhealthy situation when she saw it and get out of there with the Doctor. To get into one with the Master, of all people, she'd have to be - well, either completely broken down or otherwise not Martha anymore. And I love her being Martha. And sane.
In the sense of "even the very thought freaks me out": with [info]kindkit on this one. Martha/Master. You know, I read a fic that made it work. I'd never have thought it possible, but... it was a DW/LoM crossover, where Sam was the Master and slowly began regaining his memories - Martha was sent back in time by Jack because the Doctor had gone missing. [There were explanations for how he'd found out about 'Sam' etc] The clever bit was that the Sam parts of the Master had integrated, and so he (for the first time) really had people he genuinely cared about (shades of chipped!Spike!) - oh and he and Martha pretended that they were married to explain why she suddenly turned up. (Their bickering was *fantastic*! And Gene...)
It was the sort of fic I usually avoid - it was by a first time writer without a beta and she so, *so* needed one, I kept wincing - but all the character stuff was *excellent* and I couldn't put it down. (It became rather cracktastic towards the end, but still... inspired writing.) I can find it for you if you like,
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Errr. Seeing as decades as Yana - or at the very least 17 years, if we go only by the time we have Chantho to stand witness for - did not stop him from killing Chantho, undoubtedly the person Yana cared for and was attached to most, with no more hesitation or regret than, well, killing an insect, I very much doubt some years/months as Sam Tyler would make a difference. So I can't even believe in this premise. Also, I don't see Martha/Sam Tyler (with Sam as Sam), either, though this might be coloured by some hostility towards Sam due to the ending of s2, admittedly. And frankly, I can't see Martha being anything but revolted at the thought of even touching the Master. Some hostility is entirely without UST and with reasonable revulsion for general mass murder and the personal degredation and enslavement of one's family. I can't see her look at him and not think of Tish, Francine and Cliff, barely recovering from what he did to them. If you want Spike comparisons - if Spike, instead of protecting Dawn, had ever harmed her or Joyce,
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Seeing as decades as Yana - or at the very least 17 years, if we go only by the time we have Chantho to stand witness for - did not stop him from killing Chantho, undoubtedly the person Yana cared for and was attached to most, with no more hesitation or regret than, well, killing an insect, I very much doubt some years/months as Sam Tyler would make a difference. So I can't even believe in this premise. You could try reading the first chapter? (Zero Martha, just Sam & the gang.) Dunno if it'll change your mind, but it works for *me*... ETA: Also, it is of course crack. Which is why it is addictive! ;)
Anyway, I understand squicks - I cannot read Spike/Xander. At all, ever. (Even though I can see where people come from, I just... can't.)
Actually, speaking of Martha have you read this fic yet: Sew It Up, But You Still See The Tear. Martha FitB between LotT and the Sontarans. Really excellent!
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But why on earth would she even want to touch him? As I said to Elisi above, I can't see Martha look at the Master and NOT think of Tish, Francine and Cliff, in addition to millions of dead bodies. I can't see her as anything but repelled. Just because fandom thinks he's hot - and yes, that would include me - doesn't mean all characters do, and certainly not Martha. She's too quintessentially sane to want being anywhere near him, and unless you take some of her core Martha-ness away, that's not going to change. Of course I realise we all see our own interpretation of the characters, but the Martha in my head, if someone made an allusion to her and the Master in a sexual contect, would throw up in her mouth a little. Just - no.
I wish. I think the moment that decided for me I really didn't want them to get together romantically was when in Taking away all your troubles Adama offered to Roslin Baltar could just disappear. She said no, but that proved the balance between them was gone. Plus more recently, Adama in full blown "I can't live without her!" mode was no more attractive than Lee or Kara during s3 self indulgence mode. (Though otoh I did feel for him when he lost it over Saul Tigh.) Mind you, in theory I can seen why Roslin would want someone to relax with who doesn't challenge her (because Adama really doesn't anymore), especially given her life is running out, but in practice I don't want to see it on tv and keep wondering why he doesn't bore her. All this being said? I think the last word has been spoken. Seriously, I don't expect them to break up in what remains of s4, so I've made my peace with that.
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Lastly, I find the justification for this I've seen - "Martha deserves a time lord, the Master is hot, clearly they should be together" - absolutely idiotic.
OMG, do people actually say that? *does the faceplam-headdesk dance of fannish despair*
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...can I find your Crichton/Scorpius via your userinfo, just to check?
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You can find it via my fic index. Actually, here: "Warm in the Night, Cold as a Stone". Note that it's an explicit NC-17. Sort of a PWP with horrible angst, really. :)
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Ah, thank you! *goes off to read*
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Also Martha/Master might provide an interesting fic if someone dealt with all the HORRIBLENESS of what would draw either of them into it/how it would function? But I have a hard time seeing Master w/ Human Wimmins. Not from a 'silly OTP kid, monolithic views of pairings are for kids' thing. Though I admit, I have my squicks. and know myself to be sadly loyal to a pairing once I’ve decided that that’s just how the characters MO/emotional dynamics workI just have trouble wrapping my brain around 'and then the most arrogant, intelligence obsessed, single-minded alien ever born formed a meaningful connection with a newly-introduced member of a species he found primitive, and then their relationship was functional and of some duration, and also the sex was good.’ I mean, no hate on Martha, she’s a good character who has ( ... )
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she would have to be nuts to want in on his crazy
Yes, exactly. Martha was both sane and self-reliant enough to recognize an emotionally unhealthy situation when she saw it and get out of there with the Doctor. To get into one with the Master, of all people, she'd have to be - well, either completely broken down or otherwise not Martha anymore. And I love her being Martha. And sane.
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You know, I read a fic that made it work. I'd never have thought it possible, but... it was a DW/LoM crossover, where Sam was the Master and slowly began regaining his memories - Martha was sent back in time by Jack because the Doctor had gone missing. [There were explanations for how he'd found out about 'Sam' etc] The clever bit was that the Sam parts of the Master had integrated, and so he (for the first time) really had people he genuinely cared about (shades of chipped!Spike!) - oh and he and Martha pretended that they were married to explain why she suddenly turned up. (Their bickering was *fantastic*! And Gene...)
It was the sort of fic I usually avoid - it was by a first time writer without a beta and she so, *so* needed one, I kept wincing - but all the character stuff was *excellent* and I couldn't put it down. (It became rather cracktastic towards the end, but still... inspired writing.) I can find it for you if you like, ( ... )
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You could try reading the first chapter? (Zero Martha, just Sam & the gang.) Dunno if it'll change your mind, but it works for *me*... ETA: Also, it is of course crack. Which is why it is addictive! ;)
Anyway, I understand squicks - I cannot read Spike/Xander. At all, ever. (Even though I can see where people come from, I just... can't.)
Actually, speaking of Martha have you read this fic yet: Sew It Up, But You Still See The Tear. Martha FitB between LotT and the Sontarans. Really excellent!
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...sorry. *cough* Just had to bogart your thread to agree.
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