*gasp* this volume is due back in 6 daysmangarooJuly 19 2012, 23:32:21 UTC
it turns out Dorry wasn't really dead, just knocked out.
Yay! Hugs and bulging eyeballs for everybody!
the remains of Miss Goldenweek's rice crackers. (Nami: "Where did you get those…?")
Oh! Now I know. I am really inattentive.
Sanji's womanizing is kinda creepy, but his heart-shaped cigarette smoke = LOL
Totally loved everything about the giants' fighting origin flashback (the similarity to Zoro and Sanji, the nifty reveal of the caves' origins). Hey, do you think Dorry and Broggy now remember the story? They seemed to, when Sanji mentioned the hunting challenge to Zoro.
so Nothing Island is the goldfish's poop. (That was where Miss All-Sunday wanted to send the Strawhats.)
So then her offer of an eternal log pose there was…treachery?
Zoro is completely failing in the role of substitute navigator.
Dear heavens, why would they have let Zoro be navigator?? (Hee, cloud.)
Random and really not important, but... how on earth did they know how to find an island with a doctor? What navigation tool are they using?I thought the idea
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I don't think you're inattentive at all. I actually had to go back and check volume 14 because I couldn't remember. The last thing we see, Luffy knocked out Mr. 3 by "instinct," and Karoo was quacking at Miss Goldenweek. I don't think we see either of them after that, and I assume the implication is that they got away. (Mr. 3 turns up in Alabasta in volume 18, and there is a cover arc later with Miss Goldenweek that I don't remember the details of at all, so certainly they both lived and escaped from Little Garden -- although, apparently, not together?)
I assume they found the rice crackers on the picnic blanket where she left them (where Luffy was drinking tea).
Hugs and bulging eyeballs for everybody!
Hee, so ridiculous and yet endearing. I kind of like Oda's pratfall-style type of humor, although I often suspect it is based in models of Japanese stand-up comedy that I'm not getting at all.
Hey, do you think Dorry and Broggy now remember the story?It seemed like they almost remembered it
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What are they fighting with now that their weapons are gone? Their bare hands?
I imagine so. I thought that was an ancillary point to their willingness to sacrifice the weapons to get Luffy and crew off the island: they are now in no danger of repairing the weapons and killing each other.
Maybe they were too worried about Nami to think straight.
I forgot to say how adorable everyone worrying about Nami was. Even Sanji, who was blubbering and had his translated speech cold-impaired: "Nabi! Bleez doan die!"
Oooh...random cover arc note: how much do I love that Jango's boat drifts by Morgan's?
Re: TL;DR (1)sara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 14:39:14 UTC
they are now in no danger of repairing the weapons and killing each other
I like this idea. It comforts me! No giant deaths, please.
I forgot to say how adorable everyone worrying about Nami was.
Yes!
Hee, it's so funny when the characters can't speak clearly due to tears, or eating, or teeth chattering, or whatever. This is in the Japanese, too, and sometimes there actually has to be a footnote indicating what they're trying to say. I personally am VERY grateful for the footnotes, because I have enough difficulty translating without having to account for talking-with-your-mouth-full-itis.
Oooh...random cover arc note: how much do I love that Jango's boat drifts by Morgan's?
YES! I should have pointed that one out. Just so delightfully random.
I thought the idea was that they would stop at any and every island they passed to seek out a doctor?
Yes, but as I understand it, on the Grand Line you can't navigate at all without a Log Pose -- your ship would literally wander around in circles with no way to orient itself, like being stuck in the middle of the Atlantic without any navigation instruments. Their regular log pose never got a chance to reset on Little Garden, so it shouldn't be pointing to anything (except perhaps back to Little Garden). The eternal log pose pointing to Alabasta will only get them to Alabasta. So what compass are they following?
(I really think about these things too much.)
I wouldn't be surprised if Sanji's birthday were a pun. Many of the canon "birthdays" are straight-up jokes suggested by readers (although I'm sure Oda chose all of the crew birthdays). I can't find any hard data on that, though.
Why do you call her doctorine?Oops, quasi-anticipatory spoiler. Doctorine is Chopper's name for her
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Yes, but as I understand it, on the Grand Line you can't navigate at all without a Log Pose -- your ship would literally wander around in circles with no way to orient itself, like being stuck in the middle of the Atlantic without any navigation instruments.
I guess I just don't get it. I hear them ordering sails to port and the like, so they can steer independently of the log pose. And if you see an island on your way to a different island, you can steer yourself to that island. So they're not navigating to doctor-island; they're stopping at islands, asking if there's a doctor.
It makes me sad to not get this, because I had an epiphany when Smoker called for Sgt Geeklove to get an eternal log pose to Alabasta from naval headquarters. All the islands of the grand line must be logged, right? (Or posed. Or whatever.) That's kind of nifty. (Though why naval headquarters would give an eternal log pose to Smoker, when I thought he was pursuing Luffy in defiance of his standing orders, I don't know.)
Re: TL;DR (2)sara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 14:52:15 UTC
And if you see an island on your way to a different island, you can steer yourself to that island.
But it's like having a compass or a sextant or whatever those things they invented in the Renaissance are. You can steer the helm toward port or starboard to move in the direction of your goal, but you have to know what your goal IS. (Unless, like Zoro, you're content to follow that cloud out front.)
Especially on the Grand Line, landmarks are deceiving. In that first sequence after they started out for Whiskey Peak, Nami assumed that they were making progress in a straight line because there was no wind or rough seas, until she checked the log pose and discovered that the currents had caused them to shift 180 degrees opposite their original course.
You can't always see land from where you are on sea (in fact, I have to assume that most of the time you can't), so how do you know you won't just drift endlessly without ever seeing land?
But, as I say, no doubt I'm either over-thinking or missing something obvious.
Re: TL;DR (2)sara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 15:14:14 UTC
And if you see an island on your way to a different island, you can steer yourself to that island. So they're not navigating to doctor-island; they're stopping at islands, asking if there's a doctor.
Oh! Wait, OK, now I think I get what you're saying. If in fact they are repeatedly passing other islands within visual line of sight, while they are on their way to Alabasta (following the eternal log pose), steering to an island they can see on the horizon would work.
WOOT! (these are my relieved chicks.) I was very confused and thought I must be missing something obvious. Of course, you're right that there's no reason for us (the readers) to assume the strawhats would spy any islands on their way to Alabasta, so -- to give Vivi the benefit of the doubt -- I assume she knew they would see some. 'cause she lives in the Grand Line.
Sad library news: volume 20 is held up in tech services at my library, so I am not requesting holds on 21-25 yet. I have volume 16 with me at work today and may catch up with you briefly at volume 19, only to once again fall behind. Who knew reading a manga series would be its own adventure? I'm pirating for manga!
I need a pirating for manga icon, statsara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 15:46:38 UTC
Sadness, indeed! I hate to think of you being hung up in the middle of Alabasta. I can't recall if there any particularly bad cliffhangers at the end of 19, but all of 18-23 kind of wants to be read together. (18 is mostly setup, though, that would probably be ok.) You might want to consider placing the next hold so you can get all the next batch together, though?
Pause to check: Oh god. OK, I would not advise starting 19 without 20 in hand.
I will keep my fingers crossed!
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PS, random cliffhanger story: gnine and I were marathoning Alabasta together over a weekend (episodes 90-130, no joke). At one point it was getting really late and we were both tired, and we were debating whether to watch one more before bed
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Re: I need a pirating for manga icon, statmangarooJuly 20 2012, 16:05:59 UTC
I would not advise starting 19 without 20 in hand.
And this is why we keep you updated with library notes (even though you were completely wrong about not needing volume 14). Thanks. I will pause after 18 if I don't have 20 in hand, and will place holds on 21-25 as soon as 20 clears tech services. I hope I don't have to renew volume 19 while I wait. Cycling this stuff back to the library efficiently has been kind of important to me, considering how much I'm checking out and that I make the poor library staff pull everything for the hold shelf rather than just checking the shelves myself.
Your marathon story inspired me to check where my One Piece DVD collection will leave off (if, y'know, I ever open them): episode 53. I'm already past that in the manga! No Chopper on DVD!! I hope TRSI offers more of the Funimation box sets at outrageous Christmas prices again this year.
Last also: whose flag is three scars over the skull's left eye? (It was mentioned in an SBS, and I couldn't recall. Was it the Baratie enemy's?)
Re: I need a pirating for manga icon, statsara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 16:15:51 UTC
I forgot you actually had the first couple of One Piece DVD sets (which, yay!). I will definitely give you a heads up if I see any crazy sales. I need to buy/pre-order collections 6 and 7, myself. Even though I think I might already have those episodes from the earlier printing, but I need the boxes on my shelf to match. /faceplam
I'm pretty sure the flag with three scars is Shanks'. (Shanks has three long scars over his left eye, which already appear in the flashback from when Luffy was young. Only hints about the origin of this injury have been revealed, all of them later in the series from where you are now.)
Happy library update: we now have clear sailing for 16-23. (I'm not requesting 24-25 yet, because...seriously. I have to go to work and do chores and run errands and stuff. It can't ALL be reading manga. I currently have 17 books checked out. I feel so hoardy.)
In other news, I've checked out some of the streaming One Piece on Hulu. I regret that I started by looking at the dub. I know it's a cliche anime-viewer response, but the dub voice acting is kind of awful. Especially for Luffy, Sanji and Nami. And Zoro and Usopp. Okay, I started by watching the episode where they leave Little Garden, and the only voices that didn't make me wince were the giants'. I'm scared to hear Chopper dubbed.
I feel like I have things to say about the animation, too (like "I understand why you prefer the manga"), but I won't feel I've given it a fair shot until I watch some subbed episodes. Nami's mikan trees won't look less fake in Japanese, though. :-(
Ugh, I can't stand listening to the dub (although I know at least half of that is my knee-jerk anti-dub prejudice). I don't honestly think the One Piece dub is worse than any of the other dubs out there, but I am much too attached to their Japanese voices.
(I can't recall if I've ever heard Chopper's dub voice? Scary!)
YAY! for plain sailing through Alabasta. (It should be fine to get 24-25 whenever you're ready; there is some good stuff going on there, especially in 25, but they are basically transitional into the Skypeia arc.)
I like a lot of things about the animation, actually (though the actual quality of animation can vary startlingly from one episode to another), but the main thing I dislike is the inevitable tendency to add filler and drag the fight scenes out. Still, some episodes I can watch over (and over, and over...).
Re: *gasp* this volume is due back in 6 dayswednesday_10_00July 21 2012, 20:55:52 UTC
Is Sanji's birthday (3/2) a pun?
For sure, and Nami's too (7/3). Usopp's is obvious, and Luffy's is Children's Day (hee!)...not sure about Zoro (11/11) -- a man and three swords, maybe? <--this is a reverse engineered guess based on Miss Double Finger. Anyway, I'm not sure what the English version says, but in the original, Oda pokes fun at himself for these dates being so simple, which is why I'm sure Sanji and Nami are puns.
Also, I think these are the only ones Oda comes up with himself; as far as I can remember, all of the rest are reader suggestions along the same punny lines.
Oh, thank you for explaining the other puns! I wasn't sure 4/1 had the same significance in Japan, and I'm embarrassed to admit I would never have gotten Nami's 'cause to me that would be nana-mi. Again, we see why I am so slow to learn Japanese: everything has to be Just So.
Yay! Hugs and bulging eyeballs for everybody!
the remains of Miss Goldenweek's rice crackers. (Nami: "Where did you get those…?")
Oh! Now I know. I am really inattentive.
Sanji's womanizing is kinda creepy, but his heart-shaped cigarette smoke = LOL
Totally loved everything about the giants' fighting origin flashback (the similarity to Zoro and Sanji, the nifty reveal of the caves' origins). Hey, do you think Dorry and Broggy now remember the story? They seemed to, when Sanji mentioned the hunting challenge to Zoro.
so Nothing Island is the goldfish's poop. (That was where Miss All-Sunday wanted to send the Strawhats.)
So then her offer of an eternal log pose there was…treachery?
Zoro is completely failing in the role of substitute navigator.
Dear heavens, why would they have let Zoro be navigator?? (Hee, cloud.)
Random and really not important, but... how on earth did they know how to find an island with a doctor? What navigation tool are they using?I thought the idea ( ... )
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I don't think you're inattentive at all. I actually had to go back and check volume 14 because I couldn't remember. The last thing we see, Luffy knocked out Mr. 3 by "instinct," and Karoo was quacking at Miss Goldenweek. I don't think we see either of them after that, and I assume the implication is that they got away. (Mr. 3 turns up in Alabasta in volume 18, and there is a cover arc later with Miss Goldenweek that I don't remember the details of at all, so certainly they both lived and escaped from Little Garden -- although, apparently, not together?)
I assume they found the rice crackers on the picnic blanket where she left them (where Luffy was drinking tea).
Hugs and bulging eyeballs for everybody!
Hee, so ridiculous and yet endearing. I kind of like Oda's pratfall-style type of humor, although I often suspect it is based in models of Japanese stand-up comedy that I'm not getting at all.
Hey, do you think Dorry and Broggy now remember the story?It seemed like they almost remembered it ( ... )
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I imagine so. I thought that was an ancillary point to their willingness to sacrifice the weapons to get Luffy and crew off the island: they are now in no danger of repairing the weapons and killing each other.
Maybe they were too worried about Nami to think straight.
I forgot to say how adorable everyone worrying about Nami was. Even Sanji, who was blubbering and had his translated speech cold-impaired: "Nabi! Bleez doan die!"
Oooh...random cover arc note: how much do I love that Jango's boat drifts by Morgan's?
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I like this idea. It comforts me! No giant deaths, please.
I forgot to say how adorable everyone worrying about Nami was.
Yes!
Hee, it's so funny when the characters can't speak clearly due to tears, or eating, or teeth chattering, or whatever. This is in the Japanese, too, and sometimes there actually has to be a footnote indicating what they're trying to say. I personally am VERY grateful for the footnotes, because I have enough difficulty translating without having to account for talking-with-your-mouth-full-itis.
Oooh...random cover arc note: how much do I love that Jango's boat drifts by Morgan's?
YES! I should have pointed that one out. Just so delightfully random.
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Yes, but as I understand it, on the Grand Line you can't navigate at all without a Log Pose -- your ship would literally wander around in circles with no way to orient itself, like being stuck in the middle of the Atlantic without any navigation instruments. Their regular log pose never got a chance to reset on Little Garden, so it shouldn't be pointing to anything (except perhaps back to Little Garden). The eternal log pose pointing to Alabasta will only get them to Alabasta. So what compass are they following?
(I really think about these things too much.)
I wouldn't be surprised if Sanji's birthday were a pun. Many of the canon "birthdays" are straight-up jokes suggested by readers (although I'm sure Oda chose all of the crew birthdays). I can't find any hard data on that, though.
Why do you call her doctorine?Oops, quasi-anticipatory spoiler. Doctorine is Chopper's name for her ( ... )
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I guess I just don't get it. I hear them ordering sails to port and the like, so they can steer independently of the log pose. And if you see an island on your way to a different island, you can steer yourself to that island. So they're not navigating to doctor-island; they're stopping at islands, asking if there's a doctor.
It makes me sad to not get this, because I had an epiphany when Smoker called for Sgt Geeklove to get an eternal log pose to Alabasta from naval headquarters. All the islands of the grand line must be logged, right? (Or posed. Or whatever.) That's kind of nifty. (Though why naval headquarters would give an eternal log pose to Smoker, when I thought he was pursuing Luffy in defiance of his standing orders, I don't know.)
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But it's like having a compass or a sextant or whatever those things they invented in the Renaissance are. You can steer the helm toward port or starboard to move in the direction of your goal, but you have to know what your goal IS. (Unless, like Zoro, you're content to follow that cloud out front.)
Especially on the Grand Line, landmarks are deceiving. In that first sequence after they started out for Whiskey Peak, Nami assumed that they were making progress in a straight line because there was no wind or rough seas, until she checked the log pose and discovered that the currents had caused them to shift 180 degrees opposite their original course.
You can't always see land from where you are on sea (in fact, I have to assume that most of the time you can't), so how do you know you won't just drift endlessly without ever seeing land?
But, as I say, no doubt I'm either over-thinking or missing something obvious.
All the islands of ( ... )
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Oh! Wait, OK, now I think I get what you're saying. If in fact they are repeatedly passing other islands within visual line of sight, while they are on their way to Alabasta (following the eternal log pose), steering to an island they can see on the horizon would work.
I feel better now. ^_^
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Sad library news: volume 20 is held up in tech services at my library, so I am not requesting holds on 21-25 yet. I have volume 16 with me at work today and may catch up with you briefly at volume 19, only to once again fall behind. Who knew reading a manga series would be its own adventure? I'm pirating for manga!
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Pause to check: Oh god. OK, I would not advise starting 19 without 20 in hand.
I will keep my fingers crossed!
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PS, random cliffhanger story: gnine and I were marathoning Alabasta together over a weekend (episodes 90-130, no joke). At one point it was getting really late and we were both tired, and we were debating whether to watch one more before bed ( ... )
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And this is why we keep you updated with library notes (even though you were completely wrong about not needing volume 14). Thanks. I will pause after 18 if I don't have 20 in hand, and will place holds on 21-25 as soon as 20 clears tech services. I hope I don't have to renew volume 19 while I wait. Cycling this stuff back to the library efficiently has been kind of important to me, considering how much I'm checking out and that I make the poor library staff pull everything for the hold shelf rather than just checking the shelves myself.
Your marathon story inspired me to check where my One Piece DVD collection will leave off (if, y'know, I ever open them): episode 53. I'm already past that in the manga! No Chopper on DVD!! I hope TRSI offers more of the Funimation box sets at outrageous Christmas prices again this year.
Last also: whose flag is three scars over the skull's left eye? (It was mentioned in an SBS, and I couldn't recall. Was it the Baratie enemy's?)
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I'm pretty sure the flag with three scars is Shanks'. (Shanks has three long scars over his left eye, which already appear in the flashback from when Luffy was young. Only hints about the origin of this injury have been revealed, all of them later in the series from where you are now.)
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In other news, I've checked out some of the streaming One Piece on Hulu. I regret that I started by looking at the dub. I know it's a cliche anime-viewer response, but the dub voice acting is kind of awful. Especially for Luffy, Sanji and Nami. And Zoro and Usopp. Okay, I started by watching the episode where they leave Little Garden, and the only voices that didn't make me wince were the giants'. I'm scared to hear Chopper dubbed.
I feel like I have things to say about the animation, too (like "I understand why you prefer the manga"), but I won't feel I've given it a fair shot until I watch some subbed episodes. Nami's mikan trees won't look less fake in Japanese, though. :-(
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(I can't recall if I've ever heard Chopper's dub voice? Scary!)
YAY! for plain sailing through Alabasta. (It should be fine to get 24-25 whenever you're ready; there is some good stuff going on there, especially in 25, but they are basically transitional into the Skypeia arc.)
I like a lot of things about the animation, actually (though the actual quality of animation can vary startlingly from one episode to another), but the main thing I dislike is the inevitable tendency to add filler and drag the fight scenes out. Still, some episodes I can watch over (and over, and over...).
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For sure, and Nami's too (7/3). Usopp's is obvious, and Luffy's is Children's Day (hee!)...not sure about Zoro (11/11) -- a man and three swords, maybe? <--this is a reverse engineered guess based on Miss Double Finger. Anyway, I'm not sure what the English version says, but in the original, Oda pokes fun at himself for these dates being so simple, which is why I'm sure Sanji and Nami are puns.
Also, I think these are the only ones Oda comes up with himself; as far as I can remember, all of the rest are reader suggestions along the same punny lines.
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