I thought the idea was that they would stop at any and every island they passed to seek out a doctor?
Yes, but as I understand it, on the Grand Line you can't navigate at all without a Log Pose -- your ship would literally wander around in circles with no way to orient itself, like being stuck in the middle of the Atlantic without any navigation instruments. Their regular log pose never got a chance to reset on Little Garden, so it shouldn't be pointing to anything (except perhaps back to Little Garden). The eternal log pose pointing to Alabasta will only get them to Alabasta. So what compass are they following?
(I really think about these things too much.)
I wouldn't be surprised if Sanji's birthday were a pun. Many of the canon "birthdays" are straight-up jokes suggested by readers (although I'm sure Oda chose all of the crew birthdays). I can't find any hard data on that, though.
Why do you call her doctorine?
Oops, quasi-anticipatory spoiler. Doctorine is Chopper's name for her.
Good point about Kaya's medical studies! (Oh, now I want to see Kaya meet Chopper.)
In the translation, it's socks.
This might be my bad rather than Viz'. The original has Sanji asking お前、なんで下素足なんだよ, which I took to mean "bare-legged" (literally lower-part-bare-legs/feet), but the dictionary does have "barefoot" for 素足. Luffy simply replies "That's my ポリスー (police)!" Sanji: "You mean ポリシー (policy)."
Good question about Luffy and the sword. I can't imagine Zoro letting Luffy run about with his swords, so I suspect it must belong to one of Dalton's men.
EVIL minions. (I liked their Odaboxes.)
LOL, I totally missed that! Too many kanji in the Odaboxes. (One of them is aku-, the other is waru-, why? Their former "positions" are given as 悪代官 (akudaikan) and 悪参謀 (warusanbou).)
Yes, but as I understand it, on the Grand Line you can't navigate at all without a Log Pose -- your ship would literally wander around in circles with no way to orient itself, like being stuck in the middle of the Atlantic without any navigation instruments.
I guess I just don't get it. I hear them ordering sails to port and the like, so they can steer independently of the log pose. And if you see an island on your way to a different island, you can steer yourself to that island. So they're not navigating to doctor-island; they're stopping at islands, asking if there's a doctor.
It makes me sad to not get this, because I had an epiphany when Smoker called for Sgt Geeklove to get an eternal log pose to Alabasta from naval headquarters. All the islands of the grand line must be logged, right? (Or posed. Or whatever.) That's kind of nifty. (Though why naval headquarters would give an eternal log pose to Smoker, when I thought he was pursuing Luffy in defiance of his standing orders, I don't know.)
Re: TL;DR (2)sara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 14:52:15 UTC
And if you see an island on your way to a different island, you can steer yourself to that island.
But it's like having a compass or a sextant or whatever those things they invented in the Renaissance are. You can steer the helm toward port or starboard to move in the direction of your goal, but you have to know what your goal IS. (Unless, like Zoro, you're content to follow that cloud out front.)
Especially on the Grand Line, landmarks are deceiving. In that first sequence after they started out for Whiskey Peak, Nami assumed that they were making progress in a straight line because there was no wind or rough seas, until she checked the log pose and discovered that the currents had caused them to shift 180 degrees opposite their original course.
You can't always see land from where you are on sea (in fact, I have to assume that most of the time you can't), so how do you know you won't just drift endlessly without ever seeing land?
But, as I say, no doubt I'm either over-thinking or missing something obvious.
All the islands of the grand line must be logged, right?
Ooh, you're right, I never thought about this. If an eternal log pose can be created for any available destination (I guess I won't ask how), it would make sense that the Marine HQ would have them all on file.
How Smoker gets away with HALF the crap he does in an authoritarian, corrupt military is a total mystery to me. I think he has friends in high places. And, perhaps, at least some people recognize that his maverick ways have a tendency to get results.
Re: TL;DR (2)sara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 15:14:14 UTC
And if you see an island on your way to a different island, you can steer yourself to that island. So they're not navigating to doctor-island; they're stopping at islands, asking if there's a doctor.
Oh! Wait, OK, now I think I get what you're saying. If in fact they are repeatedly passing other islands within visual line of sight, while they are on their way to Alabasta (following the eternal log pose), steering to an island they can see on the horizon would work.
WOOT! (these are my relieved chicks.) I was very confused and thought I must be missing something obvious. Of course, you're right that there's no reason for us (the readers) to assume the strawhats would spy any islands on their way to Alabasta, so -- to give Vivi the benefit of the doubt -- I assume she knew they would see some. 'cause she lives in the Grand Line.
Sad library news: volume 20 is held up in tech services at my library, so I am not requesting holds on 21-25 yet. I have volume 16 with me at work today and may catch up with you briefly at volume 19, only to once again fall behind. Who knew reading a manga series would be its own adventure? I'm pirating for manga!
I need a pirating for manga icon, statsara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 15:46:38 UTC
Sadness, indeed! I hate to think of you being hung up in the middle of Alabasta. I can't recall if there any particularly bad cliffhangers at the end of 19, but all of 18-23 kind of wants to be read together. (18 is mostly setup, though, that would probably be ok.) You might want to consider placing the next hold so you can get all the next batch together, though?
Pause to check: Oh god. OK, I would not advise starting 19 without 20 in hand.
I will keep my fingers crossed!
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PS, random cliffhanger story: gnine and I were marathoning Alabasta together over a weekend (episodes 90-130, no joke). At one point it was getting really late and we were both tired, and we were debating whether to watch one more before bed.
Me: "The next one dosn't end in a bad place, does it?" Gnine: "I don't think so? Not that I remember..."
We watch episode. At approximately 19 minutes into the 20-minute episode, SPOILER happens. (This would be further on in the manga, probably at least volume 22.)
Me: "AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!" Gnine: "I'm really really sorry! I didn't think it was coming up so soon! ^_^;;"
We gave up and went to bed. At least we knew we could continue the next morning. :-)
Re: I need a pirating for manga icon, statmangarooJuly 20 2012, 16:05:59 UTC
I would not advise starting 19 without 20 in hand.
And this is why we keep you updated with library notes (even though you were completely wrong about not needing volume 14). Thanks. I will pause after 18 if I don't have 20 in hand, and will place holds on 21-25 as soon as 20 clears tech services. I hope I don't have to renew volume 19 while I wait. Cycling this stuff back to the library efficiently has been kind of important to me, considering how much I'm checking out and that I make the poor library staff pull everything for the hold shelf rather than just checking the shelves myself.
Your marathon story inspired me to check where my One Piece DVD collection will leave off (if, y'know, I ever open them): episode 53. I'm already past that in the manga! No Chopper on DVD!! I hope TRSI offers more of the Funimation box sets at outrageous Christmas prices again this year.
Last also: whose flag is three scars over the skull's left eye? (It was mentioned in an SBS, and I couldn't recall. Was it the Baratie enemy's?)
Re: I need a pirating for manga icon, statsara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 16:15:51 UTC
I forgot you actually had the first couple of One Piece DVD sets (which, yay!). I will definitely give you a heads up if I see any crazy sales. I need to buy/pre-order collections 6 and 7, myself. Even though I think I might already have those episodes from the earlier printing, but I need the boxes on my shelf to match. /faceplam
I'm pretty sure the flag with three scars is Shanks'. (Shanks has three long scars over his left eye, which already appear in the flashback from when Luffy was young. Only hints about the origin of this injury have been revealed, all of them later in the series from where you are now.)
Happy library update: we now have clear sailing for 16-23. (I'm not requesting 24-25 yet, because...seriously. I have to go to work and do chores and run errands and stuff. It can't ALL be reading manga. I currently have 17 books checked out. I feel so hoardy.)
In other news, I've checked out some of the streaming One Piece on Hulu. I regret that I started by looking at the dub. I know it's a cliche anime-viewer response, but the dub voice acting is kind of awful. Especially for Luffy, Sanji and Nami. And Zoro and Usopp. Okay, I started by watching the episode where they leave Little Garden, and the only voices that didn't make me wince were the giants'. I'm scared to hear Chopper dubbed.
I feel like I have things to say about the animation, too (like "I understand why you prefer the manga"), but I won't feel I've given it a fair shot until I watch some subbed episodes. Nami's mikan trees won't look less fake in Japanese, though. :-(
Ugh, I can't stand listening to the dub (although I know at least half of that is my knee-jerk anti-dub prejudice). I don't honestly think the One Piece dub is worse than any of the other dubs out there, but I am much too attached to their Japanese voices.
(I can't recall if I've ever heard Chopper's dub voice? Scary!)
YAY! for plain sailing through Alabasta. (It should be fine to get 24-25 whenever you're ready; there is some good stuff going on there, especially in 25, but they are basically transitional into the Skypeia arc.)
I like a lot of things about the animation, actually (though the actual quality of animation can vary startlingly from one episode to another), but the main thing I dislike is the inevitable tendency to add filler and drag the fight scenes out. Still, some episodes I can watch over (and over, and over...).
Yes, but as I understand it, on the Grand Line you can't navigate at all without a Log Pose -- your ship would literally wander around in circles with no way to orient itself, like being stuck in the middle of the Atlantic without any navigation instruments. Their regular log pose never got a chance to reset on Little Garden, so it shouldn't be pointing to anything (except perhaps back to Little Garden). The eternal log pose pointing to Alabasta will only get them to Alabasta. So what compass are they following?
(I really think about these things too much.)
I wouldn't be surprised if Sanji's birthday were a pun. Many of the canon "birthdays" are straight-up jokes suggested by readers (although I'm sure Oda chose all of the crew birthdays). I can't find any hard data on that, though.
Why do you call her doctorine?
Oops, quasi-anticipatory spoiler. Doctorine is Chopper's name for her.
Good point about Kaya's medical studies! (Oh, now I want to see Kaya meet Chopper.)
In the translation, it's socks.
This might be my bad rather than Viz'. The original has Sanji asking お前、なんで下素足なんだよ, which I took to mean "bare-legged" (literally lower-part-bare-legs/feet), but the dictionary does have "barefoot" for 素足. Luffy simply replies "That's my ポリスー (police)!" Sanji: "You mean ポリシー (policy)."
Good question about Luffy and the sword. I can't imagine Zoro letting Luffy run about with his swords, so I suspect it must belong to one of Dalton's men.
EVIL minions. (I liked their Odaboxes.)
LOL, I totally missed that! Too many kanji in the Odaboxes. (One of them is aku-, the other is waru-, why? Their former "positions" are given as 悪代官 (akudaikan) and 悪参謀 (warusanbou).)
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I guess I just don't get it. I hear them ordering sails to port and the like, so they can steer independently of the log pose. And if you see an island on your way to a different island, you can steer yourself to that island. So they're not navigating to doctor-island; they're stopping at islands, asking if there's a doctor.
It makes me sad to not get this, because I had an epiphany when Smoker called for Sgt Geeklove to get an eternal log pose to Alabasta from naval headquarters. All the islands of the grand line must be logged, right? (Or posed. Or whatever.) That's kind of nifty. (Though why naval headquarters would give an eternal log pose to Smoker, when I thought he was pursuing Luffy in defiance of his standing orders, I don't know.)
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But it's like having a compass or a sextant or whatever those things they invented in the Renaissance are. You can steer the helm toward port or starboard to move in the direction of your goal, but you have to know what your goal IS. (Unless, like Zoro, you're content to follow that cloud out front.)
Especially on the Grand Line, landmarks are deceiving. In that first sequence after they started out for Whiskey Peak, Nami assumed that they were making progress in a straight line because there was no wind or rough seas, until she checked the log pose and discovered that the currents had caused them to shift 180 degrees opposite their original course.
You can't always see land from where you are on sea (in fact, I have to assume that most of the time you can't), so how do you know you won't just drift endlessly without ever seeing land?
But, as I say, no doubt I'm either over-thinking or missing something obvious.
All the islands of the grand line must be logged, right?
Ooh, you're right, I never thought about this. If an eternal log pose can be created for any available destination (I guess I won't ask how), it would make sense that the Marine HQ would have them all on file.
How Smoker gets away with HALF the crap he does in an authoritarian, corrupt military is a total mystery to me. I think he has friends in high places. And, perhaps, at least some people recognize that his maverick ways have a tendency to get results.
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Oh! Wait, OK, now I think I get what you're saying. If in fact they are repeatedly passing other islands within visual line of sight, while they are on their way to Alabasta (following the eternal log pose), steering to an island they can see on the horizon would work.
I feel better now. ^_^
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Sad library news: volume 20 is held up in tech services at my library, so I am not requesting holds on 21-25 yet. I have volume 16 with me at work today and may catch up with you briefly at volume 19, only to once again fall behind. Who knew reading a manga series would be its own adventure? I'm pirating for manga!
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Pause to check: Oh god. OK, I would not advise starting 19 without 20 in hand.
I will keep my fingers crossed!
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PS, random cliffhanger story: gnine and I were marathoning Alabasta together over a weekend (episodes 90-130, no joke). At one point it was getting really late and we were both tired, and we were debating whether to watch one more before bed.
Me: "The next one dosn't end in a bad place, does it?"
Gnine: "I don't think so? Not that I remember..."
We watch episode. At approximately 19 minutes into the 20-minute episode, SPOILER happens. (This would be further on in the manga, probably at least volume 22.)
Me: "AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!"
Gnine: "I'm really really sorry! I didn't think it was coming up so soon! ^_^;;"
We gave up and went to bed. At least we knew we could continue the next morning. :-)
(That weekend was SO much fun.)
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And this is why we keep you updated with library notes (even though you were completely wrong about not needing volume 14). Thanks. I will pause after 18 if I don't have 20 in hand, and will place holds on 21-25 as soon as 20 clears tech services. I hope I don't have to renew volume 19 while I wait. Cycling this stuff back to the library efficiently has been kind of important to me, considering how much I'm checking out and that I make the poor library staff pull everything for the hold shelf rather than just checking the shelves myself.
Your marathon story inspired me to check where my One Piece DVD collection will leave off (if, y'know, I ever open them): episode 53. I'm already past that in the manga! No Chopper on DVD!! I hope TRSI offers more of the Funimation box sets at outrageous Christmas prices again this year.
Last also: whose flag is three scars over the skull's left eye? (It was mentioned in an SBS, and I couldn't recall. Was it the Baratie enemy's?)
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I'm pretty sure the flag with three scars is Shanks'. (Shanks has three long scars over his left eye, which already appear in the flashback from when Luffy was young. Only hints about the origin of this injury have been revealed, all of them later in the series from where you are now.)
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In other news, I've checked out some of the streaming One Piece on Hulu. I regret that I started by looking at the dub. I know it's a cliche anime-viewer response, but the dub voice acting is kind of awful. Especially for Luffy, Sanji and Nami. And Zoro and Usopp. Okay, I started by watching the episode where they leave Little Garden, and the only voices that didn't make me wince were the giants'. I'm scared to hear Chopper dubbed.
I feel like I have things to say about the animation, too (like "I understand why you prefer the manga"), but I won't feel I've given it a fair shot until I watch some subbed episodes. Nami's mikan trees won't look less fake in Japanese, though. :-(
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(I can't recall if I've ever heard Chopper's dub voice? Scary!)
YAY! for plain sailing through Alabasta. (It should be fine to get 24-25 whenever you're ready; there is some good stuff going on there, especially in 25, but they are basically transitional into the Skypeia arc.)
I like a lot of things about the animation, actually (though the actual quality of animation can vary startlingly from one episode to another), but the main thing I dislike is the inevitable tendency to add filler and drag the fight scenes out. Still, some episodes I can watch over (and over, and over...).
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