[Enies Lobby(?)] The fact that the marines use kairouseki hulls to navigate the Calm Belt is not explained until Alabasta (I think).
Do they explain it in Alabasta? I'm in Enies Lobby right now, and when they first got there, they said something like "the marines have some way of getting through the Calm Belt" and they haven't explained more than that, as of early volume 42. If it was in Alabasta, I completely blipped over it.
I don't know which thing I love better about this frame -- that Karoo is trying to cram himself through the door to escape into the hold, or that Nami is actually eating the last rice cracker that Luffy gave her.
Definitely the rice cracker. The look on Nami's face as she eats it is priceless.
winter islands and summer islands
And Japan's four-season love reaches ridiculous heights.
Re: *spoilery issue in your comment*: [Post-Enies Lobby and Amazon Lily] Nice catch re: kairouseki hulls! I had to do a bit more searching around on the wiki.
You're right, kairouseki itself is explained in Alabasta (regarding its use in weapons and jail cells), but the first reference to the Marine ships having kairouseki hulls is apparently when Coby explains how they got through the Calm Belt when he meets up with Luffy after Enies Lobby.
I think it comes up again in Amazon Lily, because the Kuja pirates also use kairouseki hulls.
I'll change the spoiler tag in the main post accordingly. Damn, if that's the case, that makes the (apparent?) foreshadowing of the Marine ability to navigate the Calm Belt in this volume even cooler.
I really need an "Oda is GOD" icon.
And Japan's four-season love reaches ridiculous heights.
LOL, so true. They don't just have FOUR seasons, they have SIXTEEN seasons! Imagine the potential for landscape painters.
Well, I'm not sure I'd call it a catch...more like, I was scratching my head going, "that's a thing?" So I was pretty sure I hadn't gotten to it yet on this read-through. Agreed that the foreshadowing seems more impressive now, though. That (and general hint-dropping) is something Oda does amazingly well. (Not that that we didn't know that. But he does it so well it's worth repeating as often as possible.)
re: 16 seasons - I wasn't really thinking about how ridiculous it was until the SBS question asking the characters which island they preferred--and then Oda gave them the choice of which season on which island. So the answers were like "fall-fall" or "spring-summer" and I was just like, "...you have GOT to be kidding me."
Sorry for inadvertently "spoiling" you! Now I will know to look out for that reference at the beginning of Enies Lobby, though.
You're so far ahead of me, LOL. I had to stop reading ahead in favor of concentrating on re-reading the volumes I was writing up to catch all the stuff I missed in my first round of notes, so I still haven't read through the end of Skypeia in this read-through.
(Are the posts getting too long? I go back and forth on whether I think it's helpful to include plot summary markers as well as random squee/speculation. I know that mangaroo is now reading the posts only after reading the volumes, but sometimes I find it helpful for myself to be able to go back and look up the chapter in which X happened/was explained. I dunno if it is boring to read, though.)
*gasp* this volume is due back in 6 daysmangarooJuly 19 2012, 23:32:21 UTC
it turns out Dorry wasn't really dead, just knocked out.
Yay! Hugs and bulging eyeballs for everybody!
the remains of Miss Goldenweek's rice crackers. (Nami: "Where did you get those…?")
Oh! Now I know. I am really inattentive.
Sanji's womanizing is kinda creepy, but his heart-shaped cigarette smoke = LOL
Totally loved everything about the giants' fighting origin flashback (the similarity to Zoro and Sanji, the nifty reveal of the caves' origins). Hey, do you think Dorry and Broggy now remember the story? They seemed to, when Sanji mentioned the hunting challenge to Zoro.
so Nothing Island is the goldfish's poop. (That was where Miss All-Sunday wanted to send the Strawhats.)
So then her offer of an eternal log pose there was…treachery?
Zoro is completely failing in the role of substitute navigator.
Dear heavens, why would they have let Zoro be navigator?? (Hee, cloud.)
Random and really not important, but... how on earth did they know how to find an island with a doctor? What navigation tool are they using?I thought the idea
( ... )
I don't think you're inattentive at all. I actually had to go back and check volume 14 because I couldn't remember. The last thing we see, Luffy knocked out Mr. 3 by "instinct," and Karoo was quacking at Miss Goldenweek. I don't think we see either of them after that, and I assume the implication is that they got away. (Mr. 3 turns up in Alabasta in volume 18, and there is a cover arc later with Miss Goldenweek that I don't remember the details of at all, so certainly they both lived and escaped from Little Garden -- although, apparently, not together?)
I assume they found the rice crackers on the picnic blanket where she left them (where Luffy was drinking tea).
Hugs and bulging eyeballs for everybody!
Hee, so ridiculous and yet endearing. I kind of like Oda's pratfall-style type of humor, although I often suspect it is based in models of Japanese stand-up comedy that I'm not getting at all.
Hey, do you think Dorry and Broggy now remember the story?It seemed like they almost remembered it
( ... )
What are they fighting with now that their weapons are gone? Their bare hands?
I imagine so. I thought that was an ancillary point to their willingness to sacrifice the weapons to get Luffy and crew off the island: they are now in no danger of repairing the weapons and killing each other.
Maybe they were too worried about Nami to think straight.
I forgot to say how adorable everyone worrying about Nami was. Even Sanji, who was blubbering and had his translated speech cold-impaired: "Nabi! Bleez doan die!"
Oooh...random cover arc note: how much do I love that Jango's boat drifts by Morgan's?
Re: TL;DR (1)sara_tanaquilJuly 20 2012, 14:39:14 UTC
they are now in no danger of repairing the weapons and killing each other
I like this idea. It comforts me! No giant deaths, please.
I forgot to say how adorable everyone worrying about Nami was.
Yes!
Hee, it's so funny when the characters can't speak clearly due to tears, or eating, or teeth chattering, or whatever. This is in the Japanese, too, and sometimes there actually has to be a footnote indicating what they're trying to say. I personally am VERY grateful for the footnotes, because I have enough difficulty translating without having to account for talking-with-your-mouth-full-itis.
Oooh...random cover arc note: how much do I love that Jango's boat drifts by Morgan's?
YES! I should have pointed that one out. Just so delightfully random.
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[Enies Lobby(?)]
The fact that the marines use kairouseki hulls to navigate the Calm Belt is not explained until Alabasta (I think).
Do they explain it in Alabasta? I'm in Enies Lobby right now, and when they first got there, they said something like "the marines have some way of getting through the Calm Belt" and they haven't explained more than that, as of early volume 42. If it was in Alabasta, I completely blipped over it.
I don't know which thing I love better about this frame -- that Karoo is trying to cram himself through the door to escape into the hold, or that Nami is actually eating the last rice cracker that Luffy gave her.
Definitely the rice cracker. The look on Nami's face as she eats it is priceless.
winter islands and summer islands
And Japan's four-season love reaches ridiculous heights.
Reply
Nice catch re: kairouseki hulls! I had to do a bit more searching around on the wiki.
You're right, kairouseki itself is explained in Alabasta (regarding its use in weapons and jail cells), but the first reference to the Marine ships having kairouseki hulls is apparently when Coby explains how they got through the Calm Belt when he meets up with Luffy after Enies Lobby.
I think it comes up again in Amazon Lily, because the Kuja pirates also use kairouseki hulls.
I'll change the spoiler tag in the main post accordingly. Damn, if that's the case, that makes the (apparent?) foreshadowing of the Marine ability to navigate the Calm Belt in this volume even cooler.
I really need an "Oda is GOD" icon.
And Japan's four-season love reaches ridiculous heights.
LOL, so true. They don't just have FOUR seasons, they have SIXTEEN seasons! Imagine the potential for landscape painters.
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re: 16 seasons - I wasn't really thinking about how ridiculous it was until the SBS question asking the characters which island they preferred--and then Oda gave them the choice of which season on which island. So the answers were like "fall-fall" or "spring-summer" and I was just like, "...you have GOT to be kidding me."
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You're so far ahead of me, LOL. I had to stop reading ahead in favor of concentrating on re-reading the volumes I was writing up to catch all the stuff I missed in my first round of notes, so I still haven't read through the end of Skypeia in this read-through.
(Are the posts getting too long? I go back and forth on whether I think it's helpful to include plot summary markers as well as random squee/speculation. I know that mangaroo is now reading the posts only after reading the volumes, but sometimes I find it helpful for myself to be able to go back and look up the chapter in which X happened/was explained. I dunno if it is boring to read, though.)
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Yay! Hugs and bulging eyeballs for everybody!
the remains of Miss Goldenweek's rice crackers. (Nami: "Where did you get those…?")
Oh! Now I know. I am really inattentive.
Sanji's womanizing is kinda creepy, but his heart-shaped cigarette smoke = LOL
Totally loved everything about the giants' fighting origin flashback (the similarity to Zoro and Sanji, the nifty reveal of the caves' origins). Hey, do you think Dorry and Broggy now remember the story? They seemed to, when Sanji mentioned the hunting challenge to Zoro.
so Nothing Island is the goldfish's poop. (That was where Miss All-Sunday wanted to send the Strawhats.)
So then her offer of an eternal log pose there was…treachery?
Zoro is completely failing in the role of substitute navigator.
Dear heavens, why would they have let Zoro be navigator?? (Hee, cloud.)
Random and really not important, but... how on earth did they know how to find an island with a doctor? What navigation tool are they using?I thought the idea ( ... )
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I don't think you're inattentive at all. I actually had to go back and check volume 14 because I couldn't remember. The last thing we see, Luffy knocked out Mr. 3 by "instinct," and Karoo was quacking at Miss Goldenweek. I don't think we see either of them after that, and I assume the implication is that they got away. (Mr. 3 turns up in Alabasta in volume 18, and there is a cover arc later with Miss Goldenweek that I don't remember the details of at all, so certainly they both lived and escaped from Little Garden -- although, apparently, not together?)
I assume they found the rice crackers on the picnic blanket where she left them (where Luffy was drinking tea).
Hugs and bulging eyeballs for everybody!
Hee, so ridiculous and yet endearing. I kind of like Oda's pratfall-style type of humor, although I often suspect it is based in models of Japanese stand-up comedy that I'm not getting at all.
Hey, do you think Dorry and Broggy now remember the story?It seemed like they almost remembered it ( ... )
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I imagine so. I thought that was an ancillary point to their willingness to sacrifice the weapons to get Luffy and crew off the island: they are now in no danger of repairing the weapons and killing each other.
Maybe they were too worried about Nami to think straight.
I forgot to say how adorable everyone worrying about Nami was. Even Sanji, who was blubbering and had his translated speech cold-impaired: "Nabi! Bleez doan die!"
Oooh...random cover arc note: how much do I love that Jango's boat drifts by Morgan's?
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I like this idea. It comforts me! No giant deaths, please.
I forgot to say how adorable everyone worrying about Nami was.
Yes!
Hee, it's so funny when the characters can't speak clearly due to tears, or eating, or teeth chattering, or whatever. This is in the Japanese, too, and sometimes there actually has to be a footnote indicating what they're trying to say. I personally am VERY grateful for the footnotes, because I have enough difficulty translating without having to account for talking-with-your-mouth-full-itis.
Oooh...random cover arc note: how much do I love that Jango's boat drifts by Morgan's?
YES! I should have pointed that one out. Just so delightfully random.
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That sounds right to me. As to the significance...no idea. :/ (But the Strawhats must go to Elbaf one day, right? I can't wait for that.)
[Enies Lobby]
Maybe a forward-looking hint to when Zoro and Sanji did just that on the way from Water 7 to Enies Lobby?
I think you mean Zoro and Luffy.
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