Last day in Israel

[ruchel]

We picked up my Hebrew name necklace in Mea Shearim and discovered with huge eyes that some kollel men are reduced to work as cleaning men (?) for Pessach. Bachurim, all fine, but married men who spend their day learning? Not fine. What a lack of respect for Torah. Either the wives need a better schooling, or they need to study and work too if they

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[dream_king]

See where as I am of a totally different view point, bochers can sit and learn all they want, but married men need to work to support a wife and children.

It is horrible how the frum community sends little children to be in daycare from morning to night. Women are expected to be pregnant and to work as well.

It is just wrong and certainly not something that the abishter wanted.

Adam is commanded that by the sweat of his brow he will harvest.

This is not to say that learning isn't important, but that a man has to work and then when not working learning. And learning includes teaching his own children as well.

[ruchel]

I agree married men should support their family (unless the wife agrees to work) but they shouldn't have to be cleaning men.

The kollel wives I know are not pregnant all the time, or they are not working.

[dream_king]

they don't need to be pregnant, they can just as easily raise their children instead of paying others to do so through daycare.

What is wrong with men cleaning? Better an honest days wage than forcing a wife/mother to have to work so that a boy can continue to avoid being a grown-up, a husband and father with responsibilities.

[ruchel]

It makes me sad that guys who learn so much on some topics (kodesh) would be so behind in chol that they can't have a good job.

[dream_king]

OK, that I agree with. But if they, or their parents, don't ensure that they get enough secular education to support themselves or their families, it's not as if they're entitled to a non-menial job.

Rambam was a physician - I'll never understand people who think that having a secular education and secular job makes you a) less holy or b) less likely to be living a Torah lifestyle. I don't think many of us could equal the Rambam, but we could strive to.

[ruchel]

Totally agree about what you say.