Американский голодомор обсуждают в Америке
Статья Дмитрия Лыскова _lord_
"Голодомор в США унес 7 миллионов жизней"
опубликована на американском языке :
"The researcher, Boris Borisov, in his article titled “The American Famine” estimated the victims of the financial crisis in the US at over seven million people. The researcher also directly compared the US events of 1932-1933 with Holodomor, or Famine, in the USSR during 1932-1933.
In the article, Borisov used the official data of the US Census Bureau. Having revised the number of the US population, birth and date rates, immigration and emigration, the researcher came to conclusion that the United States lost over seven million people during the famine of 1932-1933".
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/105255-0/
что сразу вызвало много откликов мериканцев. Вот некоторые из них :
Why did the Russsians know this and we didn't?
Почему русские знают это а мы нет ?
Why don't we read our history ..
Почему мы не знаем своей истории ...
If the reality is they hid that from us......
just what are the buggers plans for our future
Если они на самом деле скрывают это от нас ..
это означает, что у них большие планы и на наше будущее ..
Hiding the deaths of 7-million Americans
certainly lines up with everything else I know
our government to be responsible for.
Сокрытие смерти 7 миллионов американцев
определёно лежит в ключе всего того что мне известно
о том, за что ещё ответственно наше правительство.
They were so happy with the results last time that a repeat can be expected again soon.
Они остались так довольны результатами в последний раз, что скоро нас ждёт повторение всего этого.
The ancient members of my family told me how people used to come to the door asking to do a day’s work for only a meal
Старейшие члены моей семьи рассказывали, как люди обивали их двери с просьбами дать им работу на один день только за одну еду.
If this story is true and our federal government knew the enormity of the crisis during the 30s, then it might explain their silence about the ... famine in Ukraine .. during the same time
Если всё так и было, и наше федеральное правительство знало о чудовищных преступлениях времён кризиса 30-х годов, это объясняет и их молчание о голоде на Украине в течении такого долгого времени ..
This isn't a preposterous lie. ...
This is how the propaganda machine works overseas against the US.
Это не просто нелепая ложь ..
Это заокеанская пропагандистская машина,
работающая против Соединённых Штатов.
Pravda is filled with degenerate Marxists and other sub human scum
Правда издаётся дегенеративными марксистами и другими отбросами человечества.
The Neocons say that the Soviet Union killed tens of millions in the 30s. They base that on the same kind of demographic manipulation that this article used. So who knows that is the truth.
Неоконсерваторы (в США) утверждают, что Советский Союз убил десятки миллионов людей в 30-х. Они используют тот же тип демографических манипуляций, что и в этой статье. Поэтому понятно, что это правда.
It's a good argument. This was also right in the middle of the dustbowl years.
Хорошие аргументы. Все это было в те годы.
Заголовок :
Jews killed more than 7 million Americans during recession,
Wikipedia jews censor story
there's that same issue as with the holocaust. If you put a bunch of old people out of their homes, they die much more quickly
Это тот же холокост. Если вы выкинули пожилых людей на улицу они умрут там гораздо быстрее.
If there really had been 6-7 million Americans starving to death... we'd have heard about it? We had a free press at that time. The country was a democracy at that time!
Это на самом деле 6-7 миллионов американцев умерло от голода ? Вы слышали об этом? У нас была свободная пресса в это время. В стране была демократия в это время !
All governments are liars. The USA doesn't have monopoly on this.
Все правительства лгут. У США нет монополии на это.
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Под катом - инглиш вершен статьи :
Famine killed 7 million people in USA
"Another online scandal has been gathering pace recently. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, deleted an article by a Russian researcher, who wrote about the USA’s losses in the Great Depression of 1932-1933. Indignant bloggers began to actively distribute the article on the Russian part of a popular blog service known as Livejournal. The above-mentioned article triggered a heated debate.
The researcher touched upon quite a hot topic in the article - the estimation of the number of victims of the Great Depression in the USA. The material presented in the article apparently made Wikipedia’s moderators delete the piece from the database of the online encyclopedia.
The researcher, Boris Borisov, in his article titled “The American Famine” estimated the victims of the financial crisis in the US at over seven million people. The researcher also directly compared the US events of 1932-1933 with Holodomor, or Famine, in the USSR during 1932-1933.
In the article, Borisov used the official data of the US Census Bureau. Having revised the number of the US population, birth and date rates, immigration and emigration, the researcher came to conclusion that the United States lost over seven million people during the famine of 1932-1933.
“According to the US statistics, the US lost not less than 8 million 553 thousand people from 1931 to 1940. Afterwards, population growth indices change twice instantly exactly between 1930-1931: the indices drop and stay on the same level for ten years. There can no explanation to this phenomenon found in the extensive text of the report by the US Department of Commerce “Statistical Abstract of the United States,” the author wrote.
The researcher points out the movement of population at this point: “A lot more people left the country than arrived during the 1930s - the difference is estimated at 93,309 people, whereas 2.960,782 people arrived in the country a decade earlier. Well, let’s correct the number of total demographic losses in the USA during the 1930s by 3,054 people.”
Analyzing the period of the Great Depression in the USA, the author notes a remarkable similarity with events taking place in the USSR during the 1930s. He even introduced a new term for the USA - defarming - an analogue to dispossession of wealthy farmers in the Soviet Union. “Few people know about five million American farmers (about a million families) whom banks ousted from them lands because of debts. The US government did not provide them with land, work, social aid, pension - nothing,” the article says.
“Every sixth American farmer was affected by famine. People were forced to leave their homes and go to nowhere without any money and any property. They found themselves in the middle of nowhere enveloped in massive unemployment, famine and gangsterism.”
The then state of affairs in the US society can be seen in Peter Jackson’s movie King Kong. The movie starts with scenes of the Great Depression and tells the story of an actress who did not eat for three days and tried to steal an apple from a street vendor. There is food in the city, but many people had no money to buy it in unemployment-paralyzed New York. People starve in the streets against the background of stores selling a variety of foodstuffs.
At the same time, the US government tried to get rid of redundant foodstuffs, which vendors could not sell. Market rules were observed strictly: unsold goods should always be categorized as redundant and they could not be given away to the poor because it could cause damage to businesses. A variety of methods was used to destroy redundant food. They burnt crops, drowned them in the ocean or plowed 10 million hectares of harvesting fields. “About 6.5 million pigs were killed at that time,” the researcher wrote.
The consequences of those policies were predictable, the author of the article wrote. “Here is what a child recollected about those years: “We changed our usual food for something for available. We used to eat bush leaves instead of cabbage. We ate frogs too. My mother and my older sister died during a year.” (Jack Griffin).”
So-called public works introduced by President Roosevelt became a salvation for a huge number of jobless and landless Americans. However, the salvation was only a phantom, Boris Borisov wrote. The works conducted under the aegis of the Public Works Administration and the Civil Works Administration were about building channels, roads or bridges in remote, wild and dangerous territories. Up to 3.3 million people were involved in those works at a time, whereas the total number of people amounted to 8.5 million, not to count prisoners.
“Conditions and death rate at those works are to be studied separately. A member of public works would make $30, and pay $25 of taxes from this amount. So a person could make only $5 for a month of hard work in malarial swamps.”
The conditions, under which people were working for food, could be compared to Stalin’s GULAG camp.
“The Public Works Administration (PWA) bore a striking resemblance to GULAG. The PWA was chaired by “American Beria,” the Secretary of Interior Affairs, Harold Ickes, who threw about two million people into camps for the unemployed youth,” Borisov wrote. “Harold LeClair Ickes (1874-1952) later interned USA’s ethnic Japanese in concentration camps. The first stage of the operation took only 72 hours (1941-1942).
“In 1940, the US population was supposed to make up at least 141.856 million people upon the preservation of previous demographic trends. As a matter of fact, the USA had the 131.409-strong population in 1940, of which only 3.054 million can be explained with changes in migration dynamics. Thus, 7.394,000 people simply do not exist as of 1940. There are no official arguments to explain the phenomenon,” Boris Borisov wrote.
It is worthy of note that modern-day Russian patriotic historians reject methods of research based on the general estimation of demographic losses. They believe that demographic processes are not linear and depend on a number of factors. Such historians think that victims of communism estimations made on the base of demographic research works by Stephan Kurt and Richard Pipes, which George Bush and Helen Bonner announced at the opening of Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation in Washington, are false.
On the other hand, these methods are widely used in contemporary science of history. Ukrainian historian Stanislav Kulchitsky used the method to calculate the number of victims of the Ukrainian Holodomor (famine), which was subsequently officially recognized. Parliaments of eleven countries that recognized Holodomor use those numbers in their research works. To crown it all, the US Congress and the European Union also use Kulchitsky’s numbers considering the problem."
Dmitry Lyskov
Pravda.ru
Translated by Dmitry Sudakov