I don't think Snow did bear responsibility for the Queen's men coming (or for Daniel's death). She thought she'd lost them. Yes, they were there because of her, but that doesn't mean she's to blame. If a crazy person turns into a stalker and you move away and change your identity and start dating someone and the stalker kills your new significant other, you are not responsible. The person who killed them is. That's just how I see it.
I completely agree bout panicking when Rumpel does something seemingly for free. He's up to something. I didn't notice the same symbol on both. Not sure what to make of it, but it's interesting.
I didn't think Spencer had the cloak for 28 years. I thought he obtained it after the curse broke when he started planning his frame up. That would mean that he knew about Red being the wolf and how the cloak worked, but he could have discovered this when Charming and Snow were fighting back against his attacks - Red was certainly a pretty big part of that.
How could Charming have handled it differently than George - frankly, Abigail and Midas were all primed to be very generous with Midas after "James" saved Frederick. Maybe even doubly so if Abigail and James and George framed it in terms of Abigail backing out (not mentioning Charming's earlier runner) and James being all heroic and self-sacrificing to save Frederick. And even before that, George was already going to get the originally agreed upon amount of gold from Midas even without the wedding (at least, that's what Midas said) - it's just that more got offered with the wedding and George wanted/needed that, too. So far as I can tell, no way, no how would Charming try to force someone to marry to keep the kingdom and he'd damn sure never go off on a quest for revenge, killing and sterilizing the ones they loved because they didn't acquiesce to his plan. Worst case scenario, you find some basically good kingdom (as I think Midas' or Thomas' father, or Leopold would have had) and offer to forfeit your royalty and make your kingdom part of theirs. That way the people don't suffer, only you do. But the worst of what George did was the revenge *after* he could no longer get what he wanted. He wasn't getting any gold out of it, so far was we know (that came from Regina earlier, if she kept her word). It was all pure revenge - his kingdom didn't benefit, even he didn't materially benefit. It was about making Charming suffer because Charming didn't do what he wanted, because Charming rejected him. Rather similar to The Queen punishing Hansel & Gretel for rejecting her by sending them away after they refused to live with her.
your analogy's too long. Snow thought she'd lost them...but after less than - what, twelve hours? how many times a day does she lose them? (i suspect we'll not agree on that topic, so i propose we drop it)
>frankly, Abigail and Midas were all primed to be very generous with Midas after "James" saved Frederick I hope that to be true, but there's nothing canon about that, sadly. yes, Abigail was overjoyed to be reunited with Frederick, but all all Charming did was ask Frederick to walk down the aisle with Abigail - and then Charming ran away. (he could've remained in Midas' kingdom under Abigail's protection)
I'm going to re-watch the episode, but I do recall Midas saying that the quest to kill the dragon was his way of finding someone suitable for winning the hand of Abigail.
>no how would Charming try to force someone to marry to keep the kingdom true...but Charming's like George in one important respect: neither of them like people who make a promise and then break it.
> and he'd damn sure never go off on a quest for revenge, killing and sterilizing the ones they loved because they didn't acquiesce to his plan Charming and Snow *have* both gone off on quests for revenge. i doubt they'd use sterilization as a weapon, but they would be likely to make the punishment fit the crime.
I completely agree bout panicking when Rumpel does something seemingly for free. He's up to something. I didn't notice the same symbol on both. Not sure what to make of it, but it's interesting.
I didn't think Spencer had the cloak for 28 years. I thought he obtained it after the curse broke when he started planning his frame up. That would mean that he knew about Red being the wolf and how the cloak worked, but he could have discovered this when Charming and Snow were fighting back against his attacks - Red was certainly a pretty big part of that.
How could Charming have handled it differently than George - frankly, Abigail and Midas were all primed to be very generous with Midas after "James" saved Frederick. Maybe even doubly so if Abigail and James and George framed it in terms of Abigail backing out (not mentioning Charming's earlier runner) and James being all heroic and self-sacrificing to save Frederick. And even before that, George was already going to get the originally agreed upon amount of gold from Midas even without the wedding (at least, that's what Midas said) - it's just that more got offered with the wedding and George wanted/needed that, too. So far as I can tell, no way, no how would Charming try to force someone to marry to keep the kingdom and he'd damn sure never go off on a quest for revenge, killing and sterilizing the ones they loved because they didn't acquiesce to his plan. Worst case scenario, you find some basically good kingdom (as I think Midas' or Thomas' father, or Leopold would have had) and offer to forfeit your royalty and make your kingdom part of theirs. That way the people don't suffer, only you do. But the worst of what George did was the revenge *after* he could no longer get what he wanted. He wasn't getting any gold out of it, so far was we know (that came from Regina earlier, if she kept her word). It was all pure revenge - his kingdom didn't benefit, even he didn't materially benefit. It was about making Charming suffer because Charming didn't do what he wanted, because Charming rejected him. Rather similar to The Queen punishing Hansel & Gretel for rejecting her by sending them away after they refused to live with her.
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(i suspect we'll not agree on that topic, so i propose we drop it)
>frankly, Abigail and Midas were all primed to be very generous with Midas after "James" saved Frederick
I hope that to be true, but there's nothing canon about that, sadly. yes, Abigail was overjoyed to be reunited with Frederick, but all all Charming did was ask Frederick to walk down the aisle with Abigail - and then Charming ran away.
(he could've remained in Midas' kingdom under Abigail's protection)
I'm going to re-watch the episode, but I do recall Midas saying that the quest to kill the dragon was his way of finding someone suitable for winning the hand of Abigail.
>no how would Charming try to force someone to marry to keep the kingdom
true...but Charming's like George in one important respect: neither of them like people who make a promise and then break it.
> and he'd damn sure never go off on a quest for revenge, killing and sterilizing the ones they loved because they didn't acquiesce to his plan
Charming and Snow *have* both gone off on quests for revenge. i doubt they'd use sterilization as a weapon, but they would be likely to make the punishment fit the crime.
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