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[remindmeofthe]

Today I hung out with my mom and sister and introduced them to Doctor Who. We watched "The Empty Child," "The Doctor Dances," and "Blink," because I can't think of three better episodes to show to people who haven't seen the show before

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[cacopheny]

I've been told by, like, three different people just today that I *need* to see Doctor Who >.> Where do you get yours? And can I get it from you, or from your source, or what?

[phantomas]

I just totally agree with everything you said above. Jack is quite a good bit of fun, but...he does get worse, LOL

[remindmeofthe]

He just gets awful, doesn't he? The staggeringly creepy not-so-sub subtext of his drugging Gwen's drink in the middle of a bar in "Everything Changes" really pretty much sets the tone for him. Don't get me wrong, I can't be arsed to get outraged about such things in Torchwood (the people who freak out over Owen's alien sex spray make me roll my eyes so hard, like, it's TORCHWOOD, save the hysteria for a show that actually means something), but "How's your drink?" was so blatant, there's no way that wasn't intended. And his behavior just goes downhill from there

[phantomas]

I confess to only ever watched TW for the fun factor (and a soft spot for Burn Gorman ;) and never much examined it from an ethical point of view, but...yes. Most if not all of Jack's decisions are worthy of discussion.

I think in part the show does put him in a position where he is the one that needs to take the 'nasty' decisions - especially as opposed to the Doctor 'no killing anyone ever* attitude, so yes, he is a bastard, only they try to make him a lovable one, o'so conflicted and broody ../irony

As Spike Captain John said (I think it was him?), "once a con man always a con man"..that says a lot.

[remindmeofthe]

Yeah, and that sort of thing I have no problem with. I agreed with him one hundred percent about Jasmine and was really surprised when not a single member of Torchwood appeared to be familiar with the "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" maxim. That's the sort of decision that needs to be made at a place like Torchwood all the time, and it has to be run by someone who can make it.

What I'm talking about is the other stuff. Like in "Day One," when he deliberately chooses to let Carys go rather than have the Doctor's hand destroyed. That choice is the direct cause of another dozen deaths, but the show never acknowledges that. All the responsibility is heaped on poor Gwen, whose only crime was having shitty aim. She made a mistake, Jack made a conscious decision, and she gets stuck with the consequences. Stuff like that happens all the time on Torchwood - Jack has caused so many deaths with his selfish behavior - and he never gets called on it. And we're not supposed to notice, and the result is this insane