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1) arsenicjade's Love Meme. This is awesome. GO!

2) I have not watched the new TW ep yet, but executorvs just watched "Reset" and came in and said to me

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And I want Dean/other slash because while I can read dark, fucked-up wincest, it is impossible for me to find Wincest hot. It's not hot. It's tragic. It is, in fact, too tragic to be hot.

Yay! I think your shiny plastic crap didn't go out until yesterday, but let me know when you get it!

That's totally fair. I think I really do differentiate, just because. while some of the fics above would totally be on my favorites list (like "Prometheus Unbound")others wouldn't be (I probably wouldn't put "Going Deep" or "Epic of the Lambs" there). And as much as I love "For Other Meanings of Tsunami" (and I LOVE IT, I DO) my *favorite* fic by jocondite is actually one she wrote in another pairing (not my OTP) that so totally blew me away the only reaction I could come up with was "this fic is so perfect it makes me never want to write again." But it didn't hit the same emotional buttons, for a variety of reasons (too ambiguous in the ending - which was totally perfect for the fic, but not for the kink, if that makes sense). I know I'm talking about fandoms/fics you're not familiar with, but I hope that makes sense.

I can see how not having a pan-fandom kink would make all the difference in the world in looking at this, though. I SO TOTALLY have a panfandom kink - sometimes it works better in things that are NOT my fandom because then I don't have weird shipping issues/investments. (Full Disclosure: I started reading bandom initially largely because RPS lends itself so well to these type of stories. Then I got hooked).

It's interesting what you say about Buffyverse, because that is, in many ways, an exception for me as well. But that's the fandom in which I probably have the most shipping issues/investments. There are some pairings I would read slow-build, first-time epics about - I'm STILL waiting for good, long post-"Chosen" Buffy/Faith. If there had ever been a truly epic Gunn/Wes, I think I would have loved it. However, something like epic first time Angel/Spike would be pretty ridiculous and out of character (of course, if someone wants to do slow-build to some kind of emotional connection the way Lynne did, and can manage to keep it in character, I love it, but that is so, so hard to do well and I am SO PICKY about A/S - picky to the point that I will barely read it at all anymore). So BtVS is sort of an exception for me, but sort of not, and slow-build first time is pretty much bullet-proof, with only a few qualifiers.

If I have *one* pan-fandom kink-emotional button it is one thing that hardly qualifies as a kink at all and that's third person or outside POV.

Oooo. Yes. I love that too. And there isn't enough of it in any fandom.

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Err. I feel for you? (Honest to god, totally no mockery intended.) I can find Wincest occasionally hot but I mostly read it because it gives me the immediate connection between the characters even if it's through the shortcut of pairing them off. In other words, I read it primarily for the emotional pay-off - they hit the right sort of buttons. Even if many times I get to the sex and think that topples it over the line into something I don't need, I already had my dose of the thing I *am* looking for. And I know that I could just look for gen that would fit this bill but 1) the Wincest is more readily available and 2) I haven't found all that much gen that comes close to what the show already gives me.

Dude, I always feel like I should explain my logic for reading Wincest because I do read loads of it and enjoy it but it's not *exactly* what I'm looking for. It's just that it's the closest thing most at hand.

I understand your differentiation. When I say I don't differentiate all that much it doesn't mean that I don't differentiate at *all*. For instance, "Underwater Light" would go into 'pushes my emotional buttons' while "The Shadow of His Wings" would go into 'pushes my brainy buttons' - but they both go into 'favourite fics'.

I *was going* to write long post-Chosen Buffy/Faith. (Long for me anyway.) Hell, I even have the beginning written and I know how it would end too. Then Joss screwed me over. -.-

Buffyverse doesn't lend itself to slow build first time because the universe was so insular and the patterns kept being played again and again. So that not only any two characters were likely to have had in the past, were having in the present or would be having a relationship in the future, that relationship would also be a repetition or a mirror to some other relationship in the verse. (One thing that I found myself thinking again apropos some slash wank reported on fandom_wank was how Buffyverse being one's first fandom invalidates from the start the perspective of "oh noes, those two characters would never do each other omgwtf!!1eleventy")

Outside POV recs: The Idea of an Island (SPN, Gen), Things That Don't Exist (HP, Gen)*. You've read Maya's out-take off UL that's a series of outside pov's on Harry and Draco in that universe, right?

Other things that I like: unusual formats and use of multi-media. SPN fandom is bringing really interesting stuff in. :)

I totally will let you know when your stuff arrives. ;)

And hey! Who would you slash Dean with? I'm curious.

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*Full disclosure too *g*. I beta'd this. It's the fic to blame for *getting* me into HP.

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I can find Wincest occasionally hot but I mostly read it because it gives me the immediate connection between the characters even if it's through the shortcut of pairing them off. In other words, I read it primarily for the emotional pay-off - they hit the right sort of buttons.

And that makes sense. I used to read it a lot for just that reason - except that it really was ultimately unsatisfying because the shortcut never *quite* worked for me and the emotional pay-off was never really what I wanted. Like you say, it was just the closest thing available. (Though there are a few gen fics that did do what I wanted and there are a few wincest fics that I like, even if it never totally works for me, except for, like, once.) Also - I think I used to read it to hit the ust first time button too (bullet proof kink - as long as the writing is good, it trumps the incest!squick), but it could never really hit that button either because I always found it innately tragic, which . . . sort of negates the kink.

Interesting what you say about Buffyverse. I think you're completely right too and this:

Buffyverse being one's first fandom invalidates from the start the perspective of "oh noes, those two characters would never do each other omgwtf!!1eleventy is very true.

Thanks for the fic recs!

As for who I'd slash Dean with . . . there aren't really that many canon characters are there? That friend of his from "Sin City" who is now dead. Henrickson. Otherwise, crossovers! Jack Harkness! Gunn! (but then you have weird Gordon issues). Make someone up! I'd read Dean/OMC. (I don't actually know why I have such a burning desire for Dean/other slash - probably because I so rarely see it done well - but I really, really do).