I just read a post in which a Thelemite made the statement of "We are not equal." It was used in the context that some people are better than others
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This is an interesting set of writings. I suggest you take the time to read them when you get a chance. Here is an excerpt:
We should recognize the fact that the vast majority of human beings have no ambition in life beyond mere ease and animal happiness. We should allow these people to fulfil their destinies without interference. We should give every opportunity to the ambitious, and thereby establish a class of morally and intellectually superior men and women. We should have no compunction in utilizing the natural qualities of the bulk of mankind. We do not insist on trying to train sheep to hunt foxes or lecture on history; we look after their physical well being, and enjoy their wool and mutton. I this way we shall have a contented class of slaves who will accept the conditions of existence as they really are, and enjoy life with the quiet wisdom of cattle. It is our duty to see to it that this class of people lack for nothing. The patriarchal system is better for all classes than any other; the objections to it come from the
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I am not sure. I have been reading "Do what thou wilt" and he gives differing views. At times he seems gives the immpression of being a bigot, then at times he does not. I do not think her was personally a bigot, but due to his social class, he behaed as was the tradition. He felt we were equal in magick but not socially. Mixing of planes he called it.
****One last question, can you please show me a scientific source where it states all stars are equal? My observations are that some stars are brighter then others; some older; some younger; some go nova, others shine bright; some shine white, others blue or red. Is your experience of the night sky different?******
Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt.
What evidence do you show to support this position? AC saw magick as what one person does, not some state that people are.
Magick is the art of causing change in existing phenomena. This definition includes raising the dead, bewitching cattle, making rain, acquiring goods, fascinating judges, and all the rest of the programme. Good: but it also includes every act soever? Yes; I meant it to do so. It is not possible to utter word or do deed without producing the exact effect proper and necessary thereto. Thus Magick is the Art of Life itself.
He also noted about magick:
Remember, also, that, unless you know what your true will is, you may be devoting the most laudable energies to destroying yourself. Remember that every word and deed is a witness to thought, that therefore your mind must be perfectly organized, its sole duty to interpret circumstances in terms of the Will so that speech and action may be rightly directed to express the Will appropriately to the occasion. Remember
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I have consistently shown my evidence here in this thread and not given you the spurious instructions to go look it up here or there. Are you able to do the same? IF not then it would seem your are grasping at straws.
****Remember, also, that, unless you know what your true will is, you may be devoting the most laudable energies to destroying yourself.****
Exactly, so if a person does not know their own true will, how is it that a friend will know what their true will is? If I don not know my own true will, there is no way you can know my true will. (that was a reference to you and me, but an example).
what makes you think he hasn't read them. but they are COMMENTARIES. they are not written in stone. Liber AL was up to personal interpretation. Of course, AC and others have given keen insight into the deeper meanings as they see it. But the study of Liber AL is a personal thing.
Here's a passage from essay on the nature of the Holy Guardian Angel by Bill Heidrick (my emphasis added):Only in the sense of the H.G.A. interpreting Yechidah to the Ruach or personality of the mystic is it ever possible to say "the aspirant,... his Jechidah". No one can possess a Yechidah, rather one enters into the single Yechidah that is one and the same for all. So, at the most ultimate level, we are all the same. Whether this underlying foundation of equality has any significance in what I take to be a very practical, down-to-earth, discussion is up to you, however. And perhaps (probably) this isn't the "Star" Crowley was referring to.
I have to agree. A person might be a great surgeon or baseball player, etc than me, but that only makes them better at that. I am not less then they are because I am not as adept as they are in a certain skill.
We should recognize the fact that the vast majority of human beings have no ambition in life beyond mere ease and animal happiness. We should allow these people to fulfil their destinies without interference. We should give every opportunity to the ambitious, and thereby establish a class of morally and intellectually superior men and women. We should have no compunction in utilizing the natural qualities of the bulk of mankind. We do not insist on trying to train sheep to hunt foxes or lecture on history; we look after their physical well being, and enjoy their wool and mutton. I this way we shall have a contented class of slaves who will accept the conditions of existence as they really are, and enjoy life with the quiet wisdom of cattle. It is our duty to see to it that this class of people lack for nothing. The patriarchal system is better for all classes than any other; the objections to it come from the ( ... )
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I am not sure. I have been reading "Do what thou wilt" and he gives differing views. At times he seems gives the immpression of being a bigot, then at times he does not. I do not think her was personally a bigot, but due to his social class, he behaed as was the tradition. He felt we were equal in magick but not socially. Mixing of planes he called it.
****One last question, can you please show me a scientific source where it states all stars are equal? My observations are that some stars are brighter then others; some older; some younger; some go nova, others shine bright; some shine white, others blue or red. Is your experience of the night sky different?******
Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt.
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What evidence do you show to support this position? AC saw magick as what one person does, not some state that people are.
Magick is the art of causing change in existing phenomena. This definition includes raising the dead, bewitching cattle, making rain, acquiring goods, fascinating judges, and all the rest of the programme. Good: but it also includes every act soever? Yes; I meant it to do so. It is not possible to utter word or do deed without producing the exact effect proper and necessary thereto. Thus Magick is the Art of Life itself.
He also noted about magick:
Remember, also, that, unless you know what your true will is, you may be devoting the most laudable energies to destroying yourself. Remember that every word and deed is a witness to thought, that therefore your mind must be perfectly organized, its sole duty to interpret circumstances in terms of the Will so that speech and action may be rightly directed to express the Will appropriately to the occasion. Remember ( ... )
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From his own writings of course. He called it mixing of planes. Read "Do what thou wilt."
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Exactly, so if a person does not know their own true will, how is it that a friend will know what their true will is? If I don not know my own true will, there is no way you can know my true will. (that was a reference to you and me, but an example).
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Also based on this post, who is doing the finger pointing?
yes, sometimes, and all of the above.
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So, at the most ultimate level, we are all the same. Whether this underlying foundation of equality has any significance in what I take to be a very practical, down-to-earth, discussion is up to you, however. And perhaps (probably) this isn't the "Star" Crowley was referring to.
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