No, that's actually not justification for a warden breaking into an inmate's room for a little bit of vigilante investigation. Your needs don't supercede Mozenrath's, and even by your own description, it sounds like Mozenrath was provoked, since Nygma should have backed off and enlisted the aid of other wardens. And I say this as somebody who likes Nygma.
We're entitled a modicum of privacy; that's why we have our own personal cabins, rather than cells that receive regular checks. We have our own wardens; we're not beholden to any other one, and you won't find many inmates who'll agree to subject themselves to the whims of every person with a W beside their name.
I know this, which is why I actually don't think that Mozenrath reacted inappropriately by refusing to let Edward into his cabin, or by responding with force when Edward tried to force the door. It was a completely understandable reaction, and from his perception, Edwards behavior was completely inappropriate.
However, as I mentioned in the post, due to the curse, Edward believed Mozenrath to be unpaired, as was I at the time. Which meant that no other warden was going to act in my interests, and from his perspective Mozenrath had no warden of his own for him to approach, and when Snape did arrive? As I understand it, Edward backed off, explained his mistake, and hasn't approached Mozenrath or Snape since then.
Mozenrath is entitled to be angry with him for this, but that doesn't translate into it being something that he deserves punishment over, and that is the suggestion I'm objecting to.
Even supposing he was unpaired, it doesn't give a rogue warden the right to just break into his room. As I mentioned, he could have-- and should have-- sought out other wardens instead of deciding that he could play private detective. An unpaired inmate doesn't have any less rights than a paired one. If my own were to leave tomorrow, that wouldn't give anybody the right to just walk into my room.
And no other warden? Not even the Doctor, who tried to help you even after being stabbed? You don't give him any credit. [AND THAT MAKES REX MAD. >CCC]
Frankly, I'm sick of wardens thinking they can get away with anything they want to do to inmates they have no authority over. If an inmate was caught breaking into somebody's room after being told to leave them alone, they'd be punished. What makes Nygma so special, aside from the fact that he did it for you? I don't want to see him hanged for this or anything, but neither do I want other wardens thinking they can get away with breaking and entering an inmate's room and claiming
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So tl;dr :c Also, MAN HE WANTS YOU TO SHUT UP ABOUT THE DOCTOR.raisedinaboxJuly 13 2011, 20:54:20 UTC
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[Pause pause. He's actually a little irritated by this now.]
Rex, the Doctor was working in the infirmary, and the infirmary was full of people who needed his help. Myself included. He wasn't in any position to run around the Barge investigating anything, and I wouldn't, and didn't expect him too.
I don't think that Edward did react perfectly to the situation, but considering almost the entire warden population was focused on either trying to kill Sveta, trying to stop people from killing Sveta, and trying to stop people from accidentally killing themselves, it wasn't exactly an ideal time for him to go looking for backup.
If your warden disappeared tomorrow, and then immediately afterward, oh, I don't know, let's say Victor, was suddenly struck down with a nasty case of nanomite inspired suffering of some kind? Wardens would be breaking your door down to check if it was you, and they would be within their rights to do so, because in addition to being in control of our lives, they actually have a responsibility to
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READING THIS IS LIKE HOMEWORK, CATHERINEstopthat_destroJuly 13 2011, 21:14:02 UTC
Considering I was working in the infirmary as well, the entire time, I'm well aware of how busy it was. But since you decided to assert that no other warden could have possibly cared, I felt you needed correction. That was at least one. Nygma could have easily drafted others, since not all of them were busy dealing with Sveta.
And speaking of, let's look at the debate about that. This entire weekend, and the days that followed, we've been told that you can't commit a crime against somebody in order to stop a crime. This is the same thing on a smaller scale. And since I didn't think Sveta should have been killed to save others-- despite death and near-death and all manner of injuries-- neither are you going to convince me that Mozenrath deserved to have his room broken into and his private communications stolen by a rogue warden just to help you.
And it's funny you should mention wardens being well within their rights to jump on me over a crime of which they have no evidence whatsoever of my involvement, because that's already
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To be honest, I only originally brought it up to tease you. Now I'm mentioning it again to spite him. [You're just collateral damage, bro :c HE LIKES YOU, REALLY.]
And as I already said, I don't want to see you needlessly punished over this. But I'm not going to let him try to justify something that's already been done to me in the past by other wardens. My rights as an inmate-- what little I have-- come before anything else.
It... [Frustrated sigh. God he hates empathy.] He must care for your friendship a lot, to be driven to say all of that in public to support you.
What evidence?
[He snorts.] These are the same people who wouldn't even investigate my murder. Of course they won't look into this. They're so complacent, they'll only pursue cases where the criminal confesses
That was what halted the few attempts at uncovering my murderer, too. Evidence. Because my eyewitness testimony wasn't enough for them. You may as well try to bring it to them, just so you can point to their inaction when they turn on you later.
IN BY NINE AM TOMORROW, ROS C:raisedinaboxJuly 13 2011, 21:58:13 UTC
Are you sure, Rex? Because it seemed like you were just looking for an excuse to air your ridiculous issues regarding me and the Doctor. What I was saying is that there wasn't anyone whose responsibility it was to actually investigate or work to correct what had been done to me, and I was hardly in a position to demand it. Haven't you been in a position similar to that in the past? Where you were murdered by a vampire and none of the wardens even tried to investigate it, until you'd made multiple requests for them to take some kind of action? [Lol, Jim's creeper side is showing :c]
I'm going to repeat myself again, this wasn't Edward accusing Mozenrath of doing this. It wasn't him jumping up and declaring him guilty of anything! He was trying to get a list of people who could have had the means to do this to me, so that he could find a way to undo it
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My situation was different. That wasn't a case of having no advocate; it was a case of the wardens deciding, en masse, that my murder wasn't even worth investigating--
[ARGH NO, NEVERMIND. He calms down, too.]
But no, you're right. We're arguing about different things. And I am sorry for what happened to you. [EVEN THOUGH I HATE YOU.]
Polite response!raisedinaboxJuly 14 2011, 12:04:30 UTC
You know-- [SIGH, Eddie's certainty now that you made the potion kind of undermined his point here, but:] --If what you were telling him was true, and you really wouldn't have sold poison, then a list of transactions would have given him an insight into whether anyone had asked for something that could have been built upon to create these effects, or even anyone who you'd rejected.
Again, I'm sorry that this fell to you, but you are known for being... well, our resident potions master. [Lol what? He pre-dates the Harry Potter franchise :c] It makes sense that anyone else who was capable of this would have had some contact with you.
I don't think it makes sense at all. I'm not exactly one for making alliances, and I'm only known for it if you've been here a long time. I haven't sold in literally months. You don't exactly see me posting advertisements because it's not lucrative or entertaining to try to sell a product when half your customers disappear before they get the payment to you.
We're entitled a modicum of privacy; that's why we have our own personal cabins, rather than cells that receive regular checks. We have our own wardens; we're not beholden to any other one, and you won't find many inmates who'll agree to subject themselves to the whims of every person with a W beside their name.
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However, as I mentioned in the post, due to the curse, Edward believed Mozenrath to be unpaired, as was I at the time. Which meant that no other warden was going to act in my interests, and from his perspective Mozenrath had no warden of his own for him to approach, and when Snape did arrive? As I understand it, Edward backed off, explained his mistake, and hasn't approached Mozenrath or Snape since then.
Mozenrath is entitled to be angry with him for this, but that doesn't translate into it being something that he deserves punishment over, and that is the suggestion I'm objecting to.
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And no other warden? Not even the Doctor, who tried to help you even after being stabbed? You don't give him any credit. [AND THAT MAKES REX MAD. >CCC]
Frankly, I'm sick of wardens thinking they can get away with anything they want to do to inmates they have no authority over. If an inmate was caught breaking into somebody's room after being told to leave them alone, they'd be punished. What makes Nygma so special, aside from the fact that he did it for you? I don't want to see him hanged for this or anything, but neither do I want other wardens thinking they can get away with breaking and entering an inmate's room and claiming ( ... )
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[Pause pause. He's actually a little irritated by this now.]
Rex, the Doctor was working in the infirmary, and the infirmary was full of people who needed his help. Myself included. He wasn't in any position to run around the Barge investigating anything, and I wouldn't, and didn't expect him too.
I don't think that Edward did react perfectly to the situation, but considering almost the entire warden population was focused on either trying to kill Sveta, trying to stop people from killing Sveta, and trying to stop people from accidentally killing themselves, it wasn't exactly an ideal time for him to go looking for backup.
If your warden disappeared tomorrow, and then immediately afterward, oh, I don't know, let's say Victor, was suddenly struck down with a nasty case of nanomite inspired suffering of some kind? Wardens would be breaking your door down to check if it was you, and they would be within their rights to do so, because in addition to being in control of our lives, they actually have a responsibility to ( ... )
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And speaking of, let's look at the debate about that. This entire weekend, and the days that followed, we've been told that you can't commit a crime against somebody in order to stop a crime. This is the same thing on a smaller scale. And since I didn't think Sveta should have been killed to save others-- despite death and near-death and all manner of injuries-- neither are you going to convince me that Mozenrath deserved to have his room broken into and his private communications stolen by a rogue warden just to help you.
And it's funny you should mention wardens being well within their rights to jump on me over a crime of which they have no evidence whatsoever of my involvement, because that's already ( ... )
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And as I already said, I don't want to see you needlessly punished over this. But I'm not going to let him try to justify something that's already been done to me in the past by other wardens. My rights as an inmate-- what little I have-- come before anything else.
If you want to meet in person, that's fine.
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What evidence?
[He snorts.] These are the same people who wouldn't even investigate my murder. Of course they won't look into this. They're so complacent, they'll only pursue cases where the criminal confesses
You do.
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Surprise me.
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I'm going to repeat myself again, this wasn't Edward accusing Mozenrath of doing this. It wasn't him jumping up and declaring him guilty of anything! He was trying to get a list of people who could have had the means to do this to me, so that he could find a way to undo it ( ... )
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[ARGH NO, NEVERMIND. He calms down, too.]
But no, you're right. We're arguing about different things. And I am sorry for what happened to you. [EVEN THOUGH I HATE YOU.]
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He wasn't thinking about finding you an antidote, sir. He didn't even ask me to try to make one.
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Again, I'm sorry that this fell to you, but you are known for being... well, our resident potions master. [Lol what? He pre-dates the Harry Potter franchise :c] It makes sense that anyone else who was capable of this would have had some contact with you.
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