do i rant a lot?

[pushyouaround]

we had this huge discussion about women in advertising [specifically mothers and wives] in my english class. my teacher felt that women today have come a long way from being only pictured within the home to now showing that she has a job

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[greenpenguin84]

The fact of the matter is that women can't do all the things men can do. That doesn't mean any one woman can't be better at any specific hard-manual-labor-thing than any other man. But women as a whole are the weaker sex. And this is proven! Women don't develop muscles the same, the have a smaller bone structure and are more frail. What's great is that housework generally works well with their traits, and in fact, brings out the best in women, using their abilities to the max. I, unlike most guys, can actually thread a needle, but most stong guys can't. We generally have thicker more abrasive hands so we can't work delicately. So women truely do have the advantage over men in sewing as this example was about, but really almost all housework. This isn't to say that we're not good at it, in fact for a day we can take off work and help our wives out, but we do bumble with a few things! By the end of the day though we usually feel like that super-husband that has done everything perfect! Sure there are many cases of a woman being able to do a job better than a man. But as a whole, men are just better at the hard work.

Media wants to "empower women" but in stead builds a false sense in women that they can beat men at anything. I say a beer commercial earlier tonight of a women outclimbing her boyfriend (I assume) at rock climbing! Now while I have little doubt that she has the ability to beat him, in most fair contests the guy would beat the girl. In fact, most commercials in general depict men as idiots. It would be cool to do a small study on commercials and write down your results, but that would be a bit of work... at least everyone should take a look at the commercials they watch! Most people will see that in probably the upper 90 percentile of all commercials featuring a male and female (or at least giving the idea that both are there... for example, the wife may not be in the commercial because she's sick, but her presence is still know) the male is made to look weaker or dumber than the female.

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[xpuella8x]

have you ever questioned why it is, in general, that women tend to be physically weaker than men? it's not because of biology or some inherent flaw. the fact of the matter is that women are taught by society to be weaker. we are taught not to exercise our bodies in the same way as a man. we are taught to perform behavior that is detrimental to our health, such as excessive dieting and wearing high heeled shoes. the fact that some women do not fit this "weaker woman" model is proof that we are not biologically the weaker sex. from birth, if a woman is given the same encouragement and opportunity as a man, then she can perform the same physical and mental activities just as well as any man. wake up and take a look at all of the bullshit that you've been force-fed your entire life. there are certain ideals that are taught to us from the moment we enter this world and they need to stop.

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[rosiexriveter]

thank you for putting all of my anger words into a more intelligible reply to that message. i have not yet achieved proper distance to respond. this whole topic is part of why i would like to study anthropology. there are many indigenous tribes throughout the world that totally dismiss the popular sexist thinking that women are only fit for housework--in that the women are the hunter/gatherers and the men are the caretakers.

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[pushyouaround]

i agree. i'm afraid that i have no been able to process my rage to such mindsets in order to respond in a mature and fashionable way. i can't imagine what 1st and 2nd wave feminists felt like. i would have probably been in this constant state of rage.

i realize that this specific almost uncontrollable type anger is immature of me. hopefully as i progress and learn more, i will be able to channel it into more worthy of causes then being enraged by ignorant boys who are simply a product of their american upbringing and the media they choose to surround themselves with.

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[greenpenguin84]

Maybe you might want to research that so you can find out how well it works. And even compare it to another indigenous tribe where the roles are reversed. That seems like a good idea :-) I would love to find out the results. All the evidence through science and life experience has shown one thing... but who knows, a couple of indigenous tribes could totally prove that biology is completely wrong.

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[greenpenguin84]

"if a woman is given the same encouragement and opportunity as a man, then she can perform the same physical and mental activities just as well as any man"

Actually, that's been tested... and no, she can't! There are biological differences. These differences make us men and women. Women who argue with this only do so because they are insecure with who they are. I find it totally sad that people can't just be themselves. And what's more... many families have had children without influencing them either way, no TV, no radio... no outside influences to try and make them any different from how they would naturally turn out. And in nearly all the cases the women turned out just as I previously described, and the men as I said. So this "social engineering" crap is just that... a load of crap. You can try all your life to be bigger, better and stronger than me, and chances are, I won't have to try very hard at all and I'll always have the power and size advantage over you. While you'll be able to do many things I can't do... in fact probably exactly the same about, just in different areas. There are always a few effeminate men, and masculine women. But we have drastic biological differences that make us who we are. And I frankly think it's sick that people would want to be anything but who they are. And I mean even if that's a very girly guy, or a very manly girl. We just have be what we feel and not try to change because of "society" to "show people" and crap. That is pretty sad.

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[greenpenguin84]

Ok, there are biological differences between men and women. I'll admit, between a man and a woman with the same amount of physical training, the male will do better. But women have been proven to be just as mentally capable as men, and in today's society, nobody really gives a fuck about how physically strong someone is unless they're a pro athlete. Being physically stronger is not going to make you do better in 9/10s of jobs available right now, so really, saying men are superior because of that is a load of shit.
BTW, this is a male.
PS. Where did you find this family that had no outside influences? And how did they survive without ever communicating with anyone? What, did they hunt and stuff? And they really assigned gender roles like housekeeping?(cavekeeping?) I'd love to see the data on that one...

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[_starkiss]

I'd just like to point out that women are built to withstand more physical pain than men. Childbirth, anyone? And women who have suffered from cramps know this, too. Women may have weaker muscles in superficial circumstances, but when it comes right down to it, we're built to withstand intense & long-lasting amounts of pain.

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[_starkiss]

This depends on circumstance, though. There is always an exception to the rule - a weaker guy, a woman with a lot of muscle. Especially in today's world, where women do work out and do go to the gym, and men don't feel so pressured to do that.

With regards to commercials, the men is made to look dumber, you're right. But that's only in matters of the household. Women are made to look like the household is their rightful place, like they can do it all, have perfect family & career & a satisfying social life. That's just not true. Realize it or not, there are still ridiculous stereotypes: housework is a woman's job, a man is gay/too feminine if he does it. It goes both ways, and it's unfair to both sexes, but ultimately women suffer more because we're a minority already.