Jesse Ventura's back in the ring

[purplkat]

No, not the wrestling ring. He and his deep, rough voice and slightly terrifying presence have been heading out in the the roughest territory possible -- Fox. He's had it out with Sean Hannity and Fox and Friends and he's frankly handing them their collective asses. He's got so many great quotes in the interview sessions that it's impossible to

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[akumadaimyo]

Well Jessie Ventura was like a Navy Seal or something right? Or at least some kind of military? Ultimate Warrior is also in politics and he's not all crazy and snarling either. He's kinda a arrogant shit but he doesnt seem to let anyone yell him down either. In fact someone was yelling at him once, possibly accusing him of being racist? I dunno. Warrior just stood there calmly.

Though I'm NOT certain i like someone trying to use physical intimidation in these. That's basically saying "oh I cant win via a good argument, uh my muscles are bigger than yours!" Shouldn't we be getting AWAY from that? Otherwise the strong rule the weak again and I'll break out my club and start looking for the hot women first and beat up the weaker men and keep an eye out for the bigger ones. Ninja Caveman ftw!

[purplkat]

On any reasonable show, I'd be with you on the intimidation thing. But Fox has long made it their strategy to win "debates" by intimidating and generally shouting over whoever they're "debating" with. It's delicious to see someone come in and shove a big dose of their own medicine down their throats.

There's no convincing the pundits, and probably no convincing the viewers, but it's nice to see someone coming in and making soundbyte-worthy arguments loud enough to at least introduce a little bit of cognitive dissonance.

[akumadaimyo]

I dont really agree with him on the whole having to have done something to talk about it. That's a very big argument fallacy. No one but other other presidents could criticize each other then, criminals could only criticize each other, ect. Shouldn't have to be military to have an opinion on things.

[purplkat]

In general, I agree.

However (and I know this wasn't what he was talking about, but.) before I hear anyone saying that waterboarding isn't torture, I want to see them waterboarded first. Because it is. I have yet to find a case of someone being waterboarded and coming away saying anything else.

I also think there's a certain element of 'things out there aren't the way you think they are, and you'd know that if you'd been there'. Like think of the anime fanboys and their unrealistic opinions about Japanese culture. There's a certain point where you have to tell them to shut up unless they've done the research. Pundits like Hannity have a weird, unrealistic view of what they think is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, a view that's being pretty much unanimously contradicted. So it might also be that Ventura, knowing the things he knows and having seen the things he's seen, gets a little bit sick of the ignorance and falsehood.

[akumadaimyo]

I certainly agree wardboarding is torture. It sure as hell doesn't look fun. Not sure how it works but it looks kinda scary. Agree on the ignorance and falsehood. See it all the time on things I like/interested in from gaming, computer games, Samurai and Ninja, ect.

[purplkat]

Here's the entry where I talk about a post I read on a forum, where a guy actually waterboarded himself: http://purplkat.livejournal.com/327743.html

In the post, he describes how waterboarding works, and what it feels like. He's the first person who I know of who manned up and got himself waterboarded (actually, waterboarded himself) in order to prove to himself one way or another whether it was torture and then wrote about it.

Powerful stuff.