Re: Cast Out the Spirit of Deceit and RejectionsamfuApril 25 2005, 06:31:42 UTC
It sounds that Satan is attacking you through the spirits of deception and rejection. He deceives you by making you feel that you cannot trust anyone because they will hurt you.
That makes complete sense. Why consider the psychological concept of negative reinforcement when the problem is quite clearly Satan? It must be nice to be so fully ignorant and unambitious about the pursuit knowledge that you can simply blame any problems that you have on some mystical creature that manifests himself anytime something bad happens to you. I wish I could lie to myself so well. Just as a final statement: does one really have to conclude that deception and rejection are spirits, not simply the behavior of a person?
BUT do you know what all this does??? By making you think these things, Satan is taking away your attention FROM GOD to YOURSELF. He's making you idolize yourself, [...] How is Satan (or for that matter, Jaclyn's feelings about this boy) taking her away from God in any way? Your unstated assumption is that any involvement of emotions
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Re: Cast Out the Spirit of Deceit and RejectionsamfuApril 25 2005, 06:38:49 UTC
This is a powerful and amazing thing that I experienced this weekend and it really helped me grow and be able to move past some road blocks.
Perhaps you should review a concept known as a placebo. More specifically the so called "placebo effect". What you have experienced (I'm assuming that the retreat you went on was similar to ones that I attended as an impressionable youth) is a strongly suggestive and (in my humble opinion) dangerous form of brain washing. Such a coarse term, and you'll certainly shrug it off as me attacking you. Nevertheless that is the case. Think about what you're suggesting. You're suggesting that someone can feel better by trusting something else will take care of their problems. Of course that's the case! But it's nothing mystical, and certainly has nothing to do with God other than the fact that his is the persona that is used as a focus.
Satan has a stronghold in you through those emotions, and to be able to move on and fully trust God, you need to get ride of those thoughts satan is deceiving and
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Re: I'm sorry I offended yousamfuApril 25 2005, 20:26:28 UTC
I am sorry that I offended you in my letter to your sister.
You didn't offend me per-say, you just made a fool of yourself (in my opinion).
However, I do believe that every min of every day we are in a spiritual battle. I believe that Satan uses past hurts to get you to focus on yourself instead of God, which is a sin.
If that's the case, every moment of your life you aren't kneeling (and probably some moments that you are) is a sin. Be realistic, and stop this pathetic self-loathing. Focusing on yourself is not a sin. Show me which of the ten commandments says it is and I'll return to church. (warning: gross generalization ahead) Christians like to make everything a sin, when its pretty freaking clearly laid out in their most holy of holy books what sins are. In the new testament, it's almost all Jesus followers (dude's with agendas) that are warning of specific sins. Jesus himself is pretty clear that if you believe in him as your lord and savior you'll be on a train to H-town.
I know what hurt is, I know what confusion is, I
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This needs to stoparizonigirlApril 25 2005, 20:41:40 UTC
Sam - It seems that you have a serious grudge against the church, but even so, that does not give you the authority to attack what I believe. I never initiated this with you, but was talking to your sister. So let's discontinue this conversation. Thank you.
Re: This needs to stopsamfuApril 25 2005, 21:19:42 UTC
My grudge is against people who don't think for themselves and try and spread their ignorance on others, not against the church. You don't know about my history with "the church" (whatever that means), and you don't even know what my religious beliefs are.
Start thinking critically and stop making a bad name for Christians.
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That makes complete sense. Why consider the psychological concept of negative reinforcement when the problem is quite clearly Satan? It must be nice to be so fully ignorant and unambitious about the pursuit knowledge that you can simply blame any problems that you have on some mystical creature that manifests himself anytime something bad happens to you. I wish I could lie to myself so well. Just as a final statement: does one really have to conclude that deception and rejection are spirits, not simply the behavior of a person?
BUT do you know what all this does??? By making you think these things, Satan is taking away your attention FROM GOD to YOURSELF. He's making you idolize yourself, [...] How is Satan (or for that matter, Jaclyn's feelings about this boy) taking her away from God in any way? Your unstated assumption is that any involvement of emotions ( ... )
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Perhaps you should review a concept known as a placebo. More specifically the so called "placebo effect". What you have experienced (I'm assuming that the retreat you went on was similar to ones that I attended as an impressionable youth) is a strongly suggestive and (in my humble opinion) dangerous form of brain washing. Such a coarse term, and you'll certainly shrug it off as me attacking you. Nevertheless that is the case. Think about what you're suggesting. You're suggesting that someone can feel better by trusting something else will take care of their problems. Of course that's the case! But it's nothing mystical, and certainly has nothing to do with God other than the fact that his is the persona that is used as a focus.
Satan has a stronghold in you through those emotions, and to be able to move on and fully trust God, you need to get ride of those thoughts satan is deceiving and ( ... )
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You didn't offend me per-say, you just made a fool of yourself (in my opinion).
However, I do believe that every min of every day we are in a spiritual battle. I believe that Satan uses past hurts to get you to focus on yourself instead of God, which is a sin.
If that's the case, every moment of your life you aren't kneeling (and probably some moments that you are) is a sin. Be realistic, and stop this pathetic self-loathing. Focusing on yourself is not a sin. Show me which of the ten commandments says it is and I'll return to church. (warning: gross generalization ahead) Christians like to make everything a sin, when its pretty freaking clearly laid out in their most holy of holy books what sins are. In the new testament, it's almost all Jesus followers (dude's with agendas) that are warning of specific sins. Jesus himself is pretty clear that if you believe in him as your lord and savior you'll be on a train to H-town.
I know what hurt is, I know what confusion is, I ( ... )
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Start thinking critically and stop making a bad name for Christians.
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