Gwyneth "Gwen" "Gardenia" Turner

Feb 26, 2004 08:09

I owe you guys an extra Sue the day after tommorow (in addition to the one I already owe you), since the Pit decided to be down when I was trying to do the Sue for the 24th. Well, actually the Sue would have technically been up on the 25th, but that's just because I'm bizarrely nocturnal so when my day ends it's actually morning the next day... or ( Read more... )

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araeph February 26 2004, 05:56:34 UTC
First of all, don't bother to say "Just saying," in your critiques. You're on your own turf and not on fanfiction.net with Suvians running rampant. It's okay to be shameless in your snarking, and you don't have to make excuses for your comments as long as you don't insult the author too much.

Yeah, the adolescent girls vs. grown man/men angle really gets my agents mad in my next PPC chapter. This one Sue knocks out TWELVE guards and doesn't sport any injuries. Then she beats up a group of armed soldiers (her friend joins in), even though she isn't described as having a weapon.

Physical strength isn't all that's needed to win a duel, though. I think the Sue would be more at a disadvantage considering her reach (she's probably shorter) and her lack of experience. Personally, I'm a teenage girl who for some reason was born inordinately strong (that is, as strong as an average man), and I can attest to the fact that strength does not make a good fighter. I have terrible reflexes - my sister, who is several years younger and tens of pounds lighter than I, could probably beat me in a sword fight, though in a fist fight I'd probably come off the winner.

And the point of this ridiculously long discourse is...I'm not sure. But I thought I'd say it, all the same.

One final note: the statutory rape angle is one that I do NOT appreciate, one that I have campaigned against in my litmus test, and one that is going to be scathingly reviewed on this fic.

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araeph February 26 2004, 06:01:55 UTC
Oh, and here's my review of an Elizabeth-bashing parody, as Elizabeth herself. I used a few of your ideas. I hope you don't mind.

http://www.fanfiction.net/reviews.php?storyid=1669749

I posted under "The future Mrs. Turner".

Did I keep her in character?

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genarti February 26 2004, 07:20:31 UTC
*slow applause*

That review was gorgeous. Right on target and beautifully to the point. I can just hear her saying it, too.

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I got flamed! Whee! araeph February 26 2004, 19:44:38 UTC
A quick note to "The future Mrs. Turner"! Well, my first flame! I'm so proud. But I'd like to state a few things first, before I let you think that your "flame" has goaded me into discontinuing this fic:

1. I will be recieving a letter from Will?! OH BOY! A fictional character will find my address and mail it to be and be "threatening!" Excuse me for not quaking in my boots.

2.If I am shallow for writing an Elizabeth bashing fic, then YOU'RE shallow for writing in as Elizabeth Swann! If you're not going to use a suitable penname, then for God's sake, do NOT use a character in a movie. I believe myself and the other "obsessed" fangirls know that Will Turner is not real. So in reality, you're the sad one for believing that you are "Elizabeth Swann"

3. Three centuries from your lifetime!? HA! You never existed!

4. It's not true that many Will supporters hate Norrington. I have a feeling you made that up off the top of your insolent little head.

I could go on, but I don't want to waste my time with your silly little review, no doubt made to make me cry and stop writing. Kingsley Amis: "If you can't annoy somebody, there is little point in writing." Your "flame" did not scar me, nor disturb me, nor cause me any grief whatsoever. What it did ,however, was make me laugh. You know, i didn't think it was possible. I'm not even going to delete it.

For any reviewer wanting to know what "Elizabeth Swann" wants to say about my fic, please kindly click on the "review" page!

And the next chapter will be up shortly, for all you loving reviewers.

*Tips hat* Have an excellent day!

Oh, I shall, rest assured. Now, since she takes the attack as one against herself, and the FIRST thing that I mentioned in my review was that it was addressed only to the FANGIRLS in the fic, and some of her READERS, would anyone like to hazard a guess as to how much of the rest of my comment she actually understood?

If anyone wants an MST of this, I'd be willing to do it.

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Re: I got flamed! Whee! mylla February 26 2004, 20:05:41 UTC
The logic astounds me.

No, really.

I mean:

If I am shallow for writing an Elizabeth bashing fic, then YOU'RE shallow for writing in as Elizabeth Swann!

I could never have thought of that. I'm sure it makes you ashamed of your 'flame'.
[/deadpan]

By all means, MST! The more mocking, the better! *bounces*

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Re: I got flamed! Whee! potcsues February 26 2004, 20:22:00 UTC
Go for it. The original review was pure brilliance, by the way.

I wish I could get great completely illogical flames wherein the author didn't understand the original review.

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Re: I got flamed! Whee! araeph February 26 2004, 20:41:00 UTC
Will do, when I comment on your next Sue. :)

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Re: I got flamed! Whee! genarti February 26 2004, 22:41:35 UTC
Wow. The torturous "logic" is... really quite impressive. In a pitiful sort of way.

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Re: I got flamed! Whee! tiakall February 27 2004, 10:23:14 UTC
"I'm not even going to delete it. "

*looks for the review, which was there yesterday...*

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farmercuerden February 26 2004, 14:01:07 UTC
In my opinion, aye, ye did lass!

Now, I just need to deal with the Gibbs-bashers. Mwahaha!

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phfa February 26 2004, 21:21:12 UTC
That. Was. Brilliant.

There isn't much more I can say. Well done! Bravo! *kisses your feet*

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potcsues February 27 2004, 23:20:52 UTC
First of all, don't bother to say "Just saying," in your critiques. You're on your own turf and not on fanfiction.net with Suvians running rampant. It's okay to be shameless in your snarking, and you don't have to make excuses for your comments as long as you don't insult the author too much.

"Just saying" is something that I pretty much use all of the time (here, IRL) to mean something to the effect of "Just my opinion" or "That's what I thought" (as I think you've gathered), but I actually don't say it in an effort to defuse the comment, but more to be a smart ass. Which is why I usually only put it after a statement of fact. Most specifically, a fact that I think the person should have already known. I also phrase things as questions to that same effect.

So, "Isn't there some sort of rule againts co-writing or shared accounts or something at the Pit? Just saying."

in direct speak translates to

"There's a rule against shared accounts and posting things that you didn't write yourself at Fanfiction.net, you dumbass."

"A better comeback would have been: 'Oh, apologies, love. I didn't realize there was a difference.' I'm just saying."

becomes

"I think what you may have been trying to say in your own 'special' way was something to the effect of 'Oh, apologies, love. I didn't realize there was a difference.' Fucktard."

Ultimately, it's part of my effort, as you suggested, not to openly insult the authors too harshly.

Physical strength isn't all that's needed to win a duel, though. I think the Sue would be more at a disadvantage considering her reach (she's probably shorter) and her lack of experience.

Oh, I'm all aware of that. I write a lot of medieval fantasy pieces and as such do a lot of researching on swordfighting, etc. The massive strength difference was just the first thing that came to mind in this instance because she spoke so extensively about how she was blocking Jack. Blocking and parrying aren't easy if you don't have the physical strength to actually impede your opponent's strike. I didn't mention reach since as a Sue she could have been 6'3" for all I knew.

I'm in total agreement however that since Jack's life depends regularly on his swordfighting skills, he's much older, and Sue probably only learned to swordfight on a whim, at best, that his experience eclipsing her own would be the biggest factor to cause the fight to result in her very timely death.

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