I have a problem with her, and this question is a part of it. What is she really thinks and wants, with her life, with Jack... I can't catch on her.
First, when I learned that she was in a convent, I interpreted it as "oh, so probably she was educated/raised there, a school for girls or maybe an orphanage". Then I heard about the vows and I was "WTF? She planned to stay there? She...?!". Nope, I don't buy this. She could think so, but I don't buy anyway.
Was she trying to convince Jack or herself?Probably herself, more than Jack. I think it can be the key issue for her character. For now, I see her like this: even if she wasn't a ward of the convent in her childhood, it impressed her very much. She became a real believer but it didn't turn out beneficial for her, in long term. I suppose she was teached to see life in black and white and she thinks that any departure from pious life is moral decline, no matter that pious life doesn't fit her nature. So, when she fell in love with Jack, she thought it was her fail, not to mention
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I think I see her in a little different light. The clue comes in her elusiveness about Jack being "her first"... because he wasn't (a point which is driving him crazy
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I see. Your Angelica is more wicked, my - more hesitant and lost, then. Heh, it's also possible that I just can't really accept her as truly sly & villainous. Long before OST I've been very skeptical about all that 'Jack's equal' or rather 'someone like Jack', woman or no. Still I am, deep in heart, I think.
The clue comes in her elusiveness about Jack being "her first"... because he wasn't (a point which is driving him crazy). But isn't it still rather unclear - he was or he wasn't? She tries to make him guilty about it, she depicts it as seduction, but again - he's indignant and points at her 'technique'. I'm wondering, what annoys him more - the question of 'first' or her accusations? ;D
He'd rather look like the huge cad for leaving her as opposed to the embarrassment of being the one left. Yes, they both seem to feel like this. Matter of pride, indeed.
"Her first" because he wasn't. I'm figuring there was another, possibly a part (along with a number of other misdeeds)of the reason she was put in the convent. A loss or deception she won't either admit or discuss, which goes to the larger issue of trust, as far as Jack is concerned. Her "spiritedness" would help explain how readily she fell into the pirate world (or so we're led to believe), more so than if she had been some innocent waiting to take her vows
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at least one that would keep him on his toes With this I agree, but... equal him in manipulation and deception No way! Not really! I just need it. ;D
It could be said that he's more in love than she. Ah, yes. It's another interesting thing. You say - he's more? I thought that maybe she hides her feelings, but whatever is the reason, indeed - it's visible that he cares for her, when she tries to kill him. I'd like to put it down to her vehemence, not calculation. Nevertheless, he tries to save her, repeatedly and at risk of his own life. It's also interesting that Jack seems to be more touched by her words than her violence.
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He comes from a violent world, a place where if you're not, you're dead. It's also a place (pirate world, at least) where a pledge/oath is one's bond. Yeah, he does tend to play fast and loose with words, but he still has a strong sense of obligation. (Witness his word to Barbossa that he'll have his chance at Blackbeard.)
Not sure if Angelica hides her feelings, or just doesn't what to acknowledge them, because like Jack, she knows the price it could bring. Vehemence for sure. Her emotions are probably what have been her boon and bane.
First, when I learned that she was in a convent, I interpreted it as "oh, so probably she was educated/raised there, a school for girls or maybe an orphanage". Then I heard about the vows and I was "WTF? She planned to stay there? She...?!". Nope, I don't buy this. She could think so, but I don't buy anyway.
Was she trying to convince Jack or herself?Probably herself, more than Jack. I think it can be the key issue for her character. For now, I see her like this: even if she wasn't a ward of the convent in her childhood, it impressed her very much. She became a real believer but it didn't turn out beneficial for her, in long term. I suppose she was teached to see life in black and white and she thinks that any departure from pious life is moral decline, no matter that pious life doesn't fit her nature. So, when she fell in love with Jack, she thought it was her fail, not to mention ( ... )
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The clue comes in her elusiveness about Jack being "her first"... because he wasn't (a point which is driving him crazy).
But isn't it still rather unclear - he was or he wasn't? She tries to make him guilty about it, she depicts it as seduction, but again - he's indignant and points at her 'technique'. I'm wondering, what annoys him more - the question of 'first' or her accusations? ;D
He'd rather look like the huge cad for leaving her as opposed to the embarrassment of being the one left.
Yes, they both seem to feel like this. Matter of pride, indeed.
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With this I agree, but...
equal him in manipulation and deception
No way! Not really! I just need it. ;D
It could be said that he's more in love than she.
Ah, yes. It's another interesting thing. You say - he's more? I thought that maybe she hides her feelings, but whatever is the reason, indeed - it's visible that he cares for her, when she tries to kill him. I'd like to put it down to her vehemence, not calculation. Nevertheless, he tries to save her, repeatedly and at risk of his own life. It's also interesting that Jack seems to be more touched by her words than her violence.
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He comes from a violent world, a place where if you're not, you're dead. It's also a place (pirate world, at least) where a pledge/oath is one's bond. Yeah, he does tend to play fast and loose with words, but he still has a strong sense of obligation. (Witness his word to Barbossa that he'll have his chance at Blackbeard.)
Not sure if Angelica hides her feelings, or just doesn't what to acknowledge them, because like Jack, she knows the price it could bring. Vehemence for sure. Her emotions are probably what have been her boon and bane.
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