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hardblue February 20 2015, 17:35:11 UTC
David Brooks gives a reasoned voice to this perspective.

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The struggle against Islamic extremism has been crippled by a failure of historical awareness and cultural understanding. From the very beginning, we have treated the problem of terrorism through the prism of our own assumptions and our own values. We have solipsistically assumed that people turn to extremism because they can’t get what we want, and fail to realize that they don’t want what we want, but want something they think is higher ( ... )

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telemann February 20 2015, 17:57:43 UTC
That's ironic because I don't see David Brooks as any strong champion of those "pleasures" In fact, he really comes across as a tight-ass.

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hardblue February 20 2015, 18:41:14 UTC
Well, Brooks is a conservative, and conservatives do share some of the elements of the Islamists' critique of Western materialism, even as they enjoy all the wealth and pleasures that the world affords.

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telemann February 20 2015, 19:18:41 UTC
Even on gay marriage, which he supports, he came across condescending with his distinction on how conservatives should justify it (good) versus liberals (bad).

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madam_shapo February 21 2015, 00:18:59 UTC
Don't brake your heads - it's very simple. They want caliphate and they say so. They want caliphate over thousand years and they getting there slowly. Remember Constantinople? Next stop - Rome, they said so.
Instead of fruitless exercise of psychoanalysis, everybidy should just listen to them.

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pacotelic February 21 2015, 01:24:34 UTC
And you think they're dumb enough not to get it?

To get to the caliphate, they know they have to launch a global war.

And the GOP is just stupid enough to give it to them.

If you want to win the global war of terror, which you don't, you have to make Islam less exciting and rebellious, not more. And for god sakes don't ask western Muslims to choose between the west and Islam.

Which, IIRC is exactly what you are advocating.

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madam_shapo February 21 2015, 01:41:21 UTC
Who they? Marie Harf? Yes, she is damn enough.
What GOP has to do with anything? They have no say in this matter, except moron McCain.
I don't want to win war on terror? What are you talking about? How the heck anybody can make Islam less exciting, by providing jobs jihadists?
I am not advocating IIRC, because I have no idea what it is.

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telemann February 21 2015, 03:50:21 UTC
I am not advocating IIRC, because I have no idea what it is.


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moonshaz February 21 2015, 04:21:01 UTC
I LOVE this gif!

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pacotelic February 21 2015, 04:36:35 UTC
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madam_shapo February 21 2015, 15:24:13 UTC
Don't worry, they will get there. How many were in ISIS a year ago? How many are now? Do your math.

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madam_shapo February 21 2015, 23:44:59 UTC
Yes, nobody knows exactly how many, they hide in general population so far.
A lot of people thought that Churchill was irrational. But all they need to do to take over the governments of the respective countries, then everybody in this countries will become jihadist, for lack of other choice. I am not saying it is going to happen, but the possibility is there. I would give 30% chance, if I was betting.

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