I love that Hayley is a mystery though! I think we're getting there, now that we've gotten some clues about her family.
Like, I don't think there's any set of experiences on earth, or any environmental factors, that would inevitably cause somebody to behave the way that Hayley does?
Not inevitably, for sure, any more than someone who gets vamped will INEVITABLY feed, or INEVITABLY kill one of their victims. I'm not talking morally. But it's a relatively predictable outcome of a certain pattern of environment and events.
I actually think the werewolves, possibly even more than the vampires, are just a really interesting examination of how things spiral like this. It starts with disempowerment, it escalates either due to conscious aggression or stupid choices or sheer dumb luck, and people feel more and more like they're already awful which leads them to behave worse and worse. And I don't know where individual fault starts in each case, but I do know it shouldn't go down this way, and it doesn't have to.
I love that Hayley is a mystery though! I think we're getting there, now that we've gotten some clues about her family.
Ahahaha SAME. I'm just oober curious and impatient.
Not inevitably, for sure, any more than someone who gets vamped will INEVITABLY feed, or INEVITABLY kill one of their victims.
Okay, sure. Let me put it this way, then: I think that many people (not necessarily a majority but at the very least, a sizeable percentage), when faced with the same environmental factors as Hayley was, still would not have been capable of the ruthlessness and selfishness that Hayley displayed whilst on The Vampire Diaries? Like, no way capable. No way.
And I don't know where individual fault starts in each case, but I do know it shouldn't go down this way, and it doesn't have to.
I agree it's difficult, although I'd probably be more clear cut about it than you were. Like, I would never blame Tyler for his actions on TVD, I would for his actions during the crossover ep, but then it's clear that they weren't the result of the Lockwood curse, they were the result of Klaus' abuse. Hayley, OTOH, is absolutely culpable for the massacre and God knows what else, tbh.
There are more examples of the escalation thing with vampires then there are with werewolves. I sympathise somewhat more with vampires because vampires are pretty much completely free from the rule of law, and immortal. I know that *I* personally would do so much dubious shit, including theft. Possibly electoral fraud...
Like, I don't think there's any set of experiences on earth, or any environmental factors, that would inevitably cause somebody to behave the way that Hayley does?
Not inevitably, for sure, any more than someone who gets vamped will INEVITABLY feed, or INEVITABLY kill one of their victims. I'm not talking morally. But it's a relatively predictable outcome of a certain pattern of environment and events.
I actually think the werewolves, possibly even more than the vampires, are just a really interesting examination of how things spiral like this. It starts with disempowerment, it escalates either due to conscious aggression or stupid choices or sheer dumb luck, and people feel more and more like they're already awful which leads them to behave worse and worse. And I don't know where individual fault starts in each case, but I do know it shouldn't go down this way, and it doesn't have to.
ANYWAY YOU ARE TOO NICE TO ME. CARRY ON. <333
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Ahahaha SAME. I'm just oober curious and impatient.
Not inevitably, for sure, any more than someone who gets vamped will INEVITABLY feed, or INEVITABLY kill one of their victims.
Okay, sure. Let me put it this way, then: I think that many people (not necessarily a majority but at the very least, a sizeable percentage), when faced with the same environmental factors as Hayley was, still would not have been capable of the ruthlessness and selfishness that Hayley displayed whilst on The Vampire Diaries? Like, no way capable. No way.
And I don't know where individual fault starts in each case, but I do know it shouldn't go down this way, and it doesn't have to.
I agree it's difficult, although I'd probably be more clear cut about it than you were. Like, I would never blame Tyler for his actions on TVD, I would for his actions during the crossover ep, but then it's clear that they weren't the result of the Lockwood curse, they were the result of Klaus' abuse. Hayley, OTOH, is absolutely culpable for the massacre and God knows what else, tbh.
There are more examples of the escalation thing with vampires then there are with werewolves. I sympathise somewhat more with vampires because vampires are pretty much completely free from the rule of law, and immortal. I know that *I* personally would do so much dubious shit, including theft. Possibly electoral fraud...
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