Post Modern Existentialism - Nothing is Nothing or Man vs Everything
Man has separated himself from reason (paraphrased)[ Man has separated himself from reason. So, modern man now lives in a dichotomy, wherein reason leads to despair. Man is meaningless without value. The area of humanistic reason is now mechanistic existence governed in science, while optimism or meaning and values is governed solely by will. This
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as you say - The truth is, my friend, the modern world is broken because it abandoned the source of both reason and values: God the Creator. The only way forward is to reconnect these two and rediscover their origin in Him. -
as i understand, the renaissance was a rebirth from the classical greek, the predicators of logos and philosophy, what one might call wisdom. the reformation attempted to reconcile the new awakening from the grip of the roman industrial military religious complex, to reconcile the jewish way of promise and prophecy as they wandered homeless lost unto faith in God. oddly it is thought that the roman scriptures were written by hebrew scholars. enter marx, and the rest is simply the rewriting of history to suit that avarice.
I came across this reading today from 1 corinthians 1:17-31
i think it speaks to that which you are saying, in that without a personal creator the lines become blurred
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
as i read the rest of the passage, it says..
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
why? is that simply man's ego, self-centeredness and hubris? unlike christ, who has compassion and caring for all living things great and small. i wonder how many times mankind has fallen from grace over the ages
and the passage continues to say,
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
in the end, it seems we separate ourselves from our benefactor, and creator, thinking we can be like him in the nature of Luciferian ego
also note, that i am no historian, nor theologian, just a regular guy trying to get my head around things. just for reference, which bible do you prefer to refer to? i wish i could read original greek, and the septuagint, or aramaic and hebrew. that would be as helpful as latin, which is the romanized script and now there are hundreds of versions of bibles, all saying slightly different...
where to begin..
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Dear friend, I understand your point of view. In Russian culture, there's a saying: "Gore ot uma," which means that excessive pondering and reasoning can lead a person astray. We really are witnessing a crisis in the modern world, and as you rightly pointed out, it’s largely because we’ve strayed from the source of reason and values-God the Creator.
The Renaissance, as you mentioned, was a time of revival for classical Greek philosophy and logos, which we can call wisdom. This period was marked by a push for humanism and a return to ancient ideals, reflected in the works of thinkers like Erasmus of Rotterdam and Thomas More. The Reformation, on the other hand, aimed to free people from the influence of the Roman Church and bring them back to their Jewish roots of faith. Martin Luther and John Calvin played key roles in this movement, emphasizing the importance of personal communication with God and studying the Scriptures. However, in their quest for direct communication with God and rejection of the apostolic institutions of the church, Protestants often ended up in a state of degradation and confusion, as seen in some modern charismatic movements. They relied on human reasoning without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and that led them to where they are now.
Interestingly, many Roman writings were indeed penned by Jewish scholars, highlighting the connection between these traditions.
Regarding your mention of 1 Corinthians 1:17-31, it’s a significant passage that illustrates how human wisdom often falls short of understanding the divine. The Apostle Paul emphasizes that the wisdom of the world can be empty and useless without God’s guidance. Human ego and self-satisfaction can cloud true understanding, unlike Christ, who shows compassion for all living beings. This reminds us of the importance of staying humble and open to God’s wisdom, even when it seems like "foolishness" to the world.
I also find it puzzling why many people find the truth of Abrahamic religions inaccessible. It could be due to spiritual blindness or a conscious choice to go another way. I refer to the canonical Synodal Russian translation of the Bible, and while I’ve wanted to read in Aramaic, I haven’t been able to. I can read Church Slavonic and understand about 70% of the text.
I have another question: why did the state of Israel create the modern Hebrew language? The Hebrew used in their worship is different from the Hebrew spoken today. If there’s an Aramaic language that the Jews of the New Testament spoke and that is still used by Orthodox Assyrians, then this question remains open.
Modern Hebrew, used in Israel, was revived in the late 19th century thanks to the efforts of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, who aimed to create a living language for the Jewish people. This process involved adapting biblical Hebrew to modern needs, resulting in a new language that differs from the classical one. Perhaps they didn’t adopt the Aramaic language because it’s associated with Orthodox Assyrians, which may have influenced the decision to create a new language that would symbolize the revival and national identity of the Jewish people.
In the end, it seems we’re separating ourselves from our Creator, thinking we can become like Him, which reflects the nature of Lucifer. This desire for self-exaltation and rejection of divine guidance leads to spiritual and moral crises. I’m not a historian or a theologian, just an ordinary person trying to make sense of these issues.
European society faces a choice: either return to the faith of our forefathers or disappear and dissolve without the moral and ethical pillars of Christianity. History shows that civilizations that reject spiritual foundations inevitably decline. Examples like the Roman Empire and other great civilizations of the past remind us of the importance of spiritual and moral values in maintaining social order and prosperity.
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1) the protestant often does fall short in the connection to the holy spirit, being that man searches for meaning, then carries on the self-ordained service to others in teaching and spreading the knowledge in "apostleship". they do think they are carrying on the "apostleship" of christ in their service to others. based in laws of moses, it helps to temper the intellect to "do the right thing" or assess judgment and receive god's grace as "blessed" or as they think, "chosen" in christ.
whereas the ecstatic experience of inspiration from god can be an individual relationship in and with god in christ.
2) i suppose with the hierarchy of the traditional religions, such as greek and roman catholic, it also seems to fall onto the interpretations of "chosen" men, whose task it is to intercede between man and god. such as with confession or baptism or communion. as well as the intercession between god and the individual by "ordained" men, is the dogmatic symbolism that is made so rigid, there is no place for human existence. high mass in those churches is like being in heaven with the elaborate ornamentation and heavenly choir liturgies, which transports us into another realm of existence.
the ideal that the bible describes is god inspired accompanied by holy spirit, in that what is most necessary is a good heart and willingness to work towards love, agape, to live peacefully with everyone to freely give and freely receive.
both practice their particular religion, but political values differ. am i to believe in god, because i have come to know holy spirit as god ordained me? or because a catholic priest or protestant pastor tells me. i need the true spirit and the personal connection to not simply believe, but also to practice, ie. not simply talk the talk, but also walk the walk.
our trouble is that the world of man is imperfect, faulted. we are trying to save ourselves from ourselves, and no matter what we do, we are found to still be ourselves. were that we could all become saints. perfect in god's image and holy in our way.
i think you best answer this conundrum with your paragraph..
[ Regarding your mention of 1 Corinthians 1:17-31, it’s a significant passage that illustrates how human wisdom often falls short of understanding the divine. The Apostle Paul emphasizes that the wisdom of the world can be empty and useless without God’s guidance. Human ego and self-satisfaction can cloud true understanding, unlike Christ, who shows compassion for all living beings. This reminds us of the importance of staying humble and open to God’s wisdom, even when it seems like "foolishness" to the world. ]
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i perceive that abrahamic religion is father-centric. meaning that the feminine is somehow hidden behind a veil of secrecy, or obscurity. however, i believe "the comforter", ie. holy spirit is that healing nurturing guiding wisdom that is the mother. i perceive holy spirit to be feminine.
i am trying to find bible passages which give more insight into family and begat and beget, go forth and multiply, at whose expense and to what purpose? is it simply survival, or some form of evolving progression and social order? who gets to play god, and who gets to obey him?
language, cultural values, social structure, translations and interpretations distance us from that origin which the old testament portrays. we have to imagine ourselves in another time and place, which in itself is already once removed from who we are today, so this leaves much to individual interpretation, which has its own set of complexities and psychologies attached to it. no wonder we are in the pickle we find ourselves today.
this is definitely significant today of what you say..
[ In the end, it seems we're separating ourselves from our Creator, thinking we can become like Him, which reflects the nature of Lucifer. This desire for self-exaltation and rejection of divine guidance leads to spiritual and moral crises. I’m not a historian or a theologian, just an ordinary person trying to make sense of these issues. ]
europe is the origins of our faiths such as in canada, and the mediterranean is the precursor of that, and i would ask, where lie the "moral and ethical pillars of christianity" today? we become tractless like wandering jews, and the scripture is our homeland, surrounded by enduring nations based on industry, trade and political military control. we are merely tourists, in this world, but not of it. so to speak.
can you think of a bible passage, passages, which speaks to why this should be?
what think you?
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Your thoughts on the role of the feminine in Abrahamic religions and the Holy Spirit as a nurturing and wise maternal figure raise important questions about our understanding of the divine and human nature. In Orthodox tradition, the Holy Spirit is indeed seen as a comforter and helper, guiding believers, which can be connected to maternal qualities. This understanding helps us realize that the divine nature includes both masculine and feminine aspects, and both are essential for our spiritual growth.
When it comes to family, procreation, and the purpose of human existence, the Bible offers many passages that can shed light on this. For example, in Genesis 1:28, it says, "And God blessed them, and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.'" This instruction is not just about physical reproduction but also about spiritual development and caring for creation. It's important to remember that in Orthodox tradition, the family is seen as a small church, where each member plays a role in serving God and one another.
We need to connect with God through our love for Him, understanding that true strength and greatness lie not in trying to surpass the Creator, as Lucifer did, but in humility and devotion. Lucifer, in his desire for greatness and power, rejected divine guidance and became a symbol of spiritual downfall. Our goal should be not self-exaltation, but service and love for God and our neighbors.
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Your perspective raises important questions about the nature of faith and spiritual experience. Indeed, the essence of faith lies in cultivating the Holy Spirit, which helps us overcome our sinful and flawed tendencies. Through participation in sacraments like communion, we draw closer to God and gain the opportunity to feel His grace.
Protestants, by rejecting the apostolic church and traditional sacraments, may lose the depth of spiritual experience that comes from communion with God within the church community. Their focus on individual understanding and interpretation can lead them to overlook the importance of communal worship and the sacraments established by Christ and His apostles.
Your concern about modern society and how it may be affected by the influence of satanism also reflects a desire to return to traditional values and spiritual practices that were significant for our ancestors. I hope that in the future, we can create a society based on love, peace, and respect for God and one another, while preserving the richness of our spiritual heritage.
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