Agreeing to disagree we ain't!
joreth has just written a passionate essay about why everything I said here was bullshit.
Dear me. I think I'm about to cry!
Or, you know, not.
Actually, I'm really surprised by my feelings on this -- usually, I would really want to argue, I'd spend hours writing wordy replies and exchanging ideas, involving other people into the discussion, trying to learn. I always want to argue when I disagree with someone -- for me, wanting to discuss it is a sign of respect, sign of being interested in understanding. This time is different... or, maybe I'm just tired. But the fact is, I just don't give a fuck.
Oh, yes, so she said:
I do not respect anyone who defends the position that it is ever morally or ethically "right" to do any of those things.[...] And if the defender is also polyamorous, is also a community leader or activist or "celebrity" espousing the values of polyamory as a valid and, especially as an "ethical" relationship choice, not only do I not respect that person, I also think she's a hypocrite. Since I've already heard all the defenses, continuing to defend that position only makes the defender look worse in my eyes.
Well... ooookay. So be it. I honestly don't give a shit. I have a lot of respect for joreth (check out here if you want to know why), but I just... really don't care if she gives me any in return, you know? Strange, right? Maybe it would be different if she was a friend in real life. Yeah, probably so.
Or maybe it's because I feel that no further understanding would be gained by discussing it. As she said, she already heard other people defending my point. I don't think I could defend it much better. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't feel like trying. And, of course, for my part, I've read what joreth had to say, and I was not convinced at all (just a couple of non-sequiturs in her logic that, in my opinion, completely break down her argument -- but I don't feel like explaining it). I suspect that in this instance, she already understands my position -- and I already understand hers -- and we still disagree.
Just a few months ago, I would say that this situation is impossible. I guess I am growing up.
P.S. joreth does not read my journal, so this post is not a lowly "bait", or whatever. She's not going to see this. This post is more for contrasting the two opinions on this tough and nuanced topic (we both don't nearly do it justice), and also for noting an uncharacteristic emotional reaction on my part.
Dear me. I think I'm about to cry!
Or, you know, not.
Actually, I'm really surprised by my feelings on this -- usually, I would really want to argue, I'd spend hours writing wordy replies and exchanging ideas, involving other people into the discussion, trying to learn. I always want to argue when I disagree with someone -- for me, wanting to discuss it is a sign of respect, sign of being interested in understanding. This time is different... or, maybe I'm just tired. But the fact is, I just don't give a fuck.
Oh, yes, so she said:
I do not respect anyone who defends the position that it is ever morally or ethically "right" to do any of those things.[...] And if the defender is also polyamorous, is also a community leader or activist or "celebrity" espousing the values of polyamory as a valid and, especially as an "ethical" relationship choice, not only do I not respect that person, I also think she's a hypocrite. Since I've already heard all the defenses, continuing to defend that position only makes the defender look worse in my eyes.
Well... ooookay. So be it. I honestly don't give a shit. I have a lot of respect for joreth (check out here if you want to know why), but I just... really don't care if she gives me any in return, you know? Strange, right? Maybe it would be different if she was a friend in real life. Yeah, probably so.
Or maybe it's because I feel that no further understanding would be gained by discussing it. As she said, she already heard other people defending my point. I don't think I could defend it much better. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't feel like trying. And, of course, for my part, I've read what joreth had to say, and I was not convinced at all (just a couple of non-sequiturs in her logic that, in my opinion, completely break down her argument -- but I don't feel like explaining it). I suspect that in this instance, she already understands my position -- and I already understand hers -- and we still disagree.
Just a few months ago, I would say that this situation is impossible. I guess I am growing up.
P.S. joreth does not read my journal, so this post is not a lowly "bait", or whatever. She's not going to see this. This post is more for contrasting the two opinions on this tough and nuanced topic (we both don't nearly do it justice), and also for noting an uncharacteristic emotional reaction on my part.