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garpu October 23 2009, 07:57:31 UTC
Did you read Martha's blog on that one? I thought it really rounded out the episode nicely.

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persiflage_1 October 23 2009, 08:25:30 UTC
Indeed, I read all of Martha's blog. I thought it especially touching that they went to see the memorial to the Time War after Farringham...

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garpu October 23 2009, 08:32:08 UTC
I should dump that to PDF...

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persiflage_1 October 23 2009, 08:33:47 UTC
I have it in two text files somewhere on my h/d 'cos I like to refer to it now and again...

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persiflage_1 October 23 2009, 09:03:16 UTC
I think the Headmaster deserved what he got for not believing the evidence of his own eyes and for ignoring the warnings he was given. How can you NOT believe in animated scarecrows when they're MARCHING on you?!

And I know perfectly well, having studied the era intensively, that Joan's and Rocastle's behaviour is the norm for the period, but that does NOT excuse them. There were plenty of enlightened people around in that era - there's no reason they couldn't also have been enlightened.

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scarfman October 23 2009, 13:28:01 UTC

Martha and Jenny having to sit outside the pub to have a drink
I never saw of the significance of that till now. Ugh.
who's he telepathically picking up those thoughts from?
I always thought he was a precog as well as a thought sensitive. But sensitivity could account for everything he knows, without precognition, if the visions of WWI come from the watch.
John Smith's patronising 'cultural differences' makes me sympathise with Martha
And Joan ought to know it's not true, too, because Martha told her the book was just stories when John lent it to her.
Martha's 'Oh, do you think?' ... always makes me cheer. Lady, you've just been pwned!
When Joan refers to Martha's color, I think Martha ought to have retorted, "I'm from the year 2007," and let Joan stew with that. I put a line like that in, in the AU where the Family never did show up.
John knows Ten won't love Joan, yet later Ten begs Joan to travel with him.
You know, that's weird. The way it's played, it's not as if the Doctor loves her the way Smith did, yet this ( ... )

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persiflage_1 October 23 2009, 13:36:02 UTC
I never saw of the significance of that till now. Ugh.

Yeah, I confess I noticed things that made me think this time around that I hadn't really thought about in previous re-watches.

I always thought he was a precog as well as a thought sensitive. But sensitivity could account for everything he knows, without precognition, if the visions of WWI come from the watch.

Given they're visions of *himself* as opposed to anything to do with the
Doctor's life, I think I'd go for him also being a precog...

And Joan ought to know it's not true, too, because Martha told her the book was just stories when John lent it to her.

Yes, exactly!

When Joan refers to Martha's color, I think Martha ought to have retorted, "I'm from the year 2007," and let Joan stew with that.

Yes!

I put a line like that in, in the AU where the Family never did show up.

Ooh, I'll take a look at that...

You know, that's weird. The way it's played, it's not as if the Doctor loves her the way Smith did, yet this incarnation is all Mr. Don't Need Anybody. Is he ( ... )

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ibishtar October 24 2009, 03:31:54 UTC
You know, that's weird.
Yeah. It's one of those moments when one can only guess what's going through the Doctor's head:
a)He hopes to save her from the hardship of living through WW1; she's already lost so much.
b)Although he represses it, he is capable of romance and his memories of what he went through as John pushes him to take the leap.
c)He's so out of touch with human feelings that he believes he can fix things and make Joan happy by taking her on his travels and doesn't realise how hurtful just facing him is for her.
d)John Smith is right and the Doctor can't love someone like he loved Joan, but the Doctor doesn't want to believe it and is rebelling
He's trying to be kind, but doesn't understand Joan's/human feelings well enough to realise he's hurting her.

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persiflage_1 October 24 2009, 05:09:49 UTC
Personally I think c's closest to the truth...

I want to know if he even bothered to properly discuss giving Joan that invitation with Martha. Because, given the way Joan's behaves towards Martha, which Ten MUST remember, he must've known it was going to make for an uncomfortable atmosphere on the TARDIS - or was he just planning to drop Martha back home after Farringham?

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mulder200 October 23 2009, 15:04:00 UTC
You really have to admire Martha in this because how many people could do that and not swear/beat somebody up? Definitely not me.

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persiflage_1 October 23 2009, 15:20:42 UTC
Exactly! This is why she's Doctor of Pwnage - she just completely pwns John, Joan, and the Family, and treats it as if it's all in a day's work.

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