another what the fuck moment for you

Mar 31, 2005 17:29

so im flipping through channels the other day and the news is doing this segment on this one PBS show "Postcards from Buster". for those of you who dont know (because i didnt either) Buster Baxter is the bunny rabbit from the other PBS show, "Arthur". In the Arthur series Buster travels all over the world with his father, and recently PBS network ( Read more... )

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homosexuality isn't a disease sarar April 1 2005, 19:01:06 UTC
...and christians are supposed love everyone no matter who they are and what they believe. I was raised Quaker. I know about being a christian.

People came to America to get away from persecution. Now people who have the same beliefs you do are persecuting others.

homosexuals exist the same as heterosexuals do. They always have and always will. Love is love. A homosexual relationship is no different than a heterosexual one. Genitals maybe different, but so are men's and women's.

It's very realistic to portray such a family. They exist. They love. They raise wonderful children. They raise horrible children. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are homosexual. Heterosexual parents have children who are homosexual. Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with their parents. You can't help who you love. That goes for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike.

Also, do you think it would it be better if a child had one mother and no father or two mothers and still no father. Chances are good that the father isn't going to be around in that case anyway. No one has the right or authority to say that raising a child in a straight family is better than raising a child in a gay family.

Also, there are shows that portray domestic violence. That is immoral and wrong, yet still on the air. It goes against christian morals but it's still there because it's realistic. It happens. It happens a lot.

there are a lot of heterosexual people I never ever want any child of mine to be subjected to. including people whose minds that are as closed as yours.

You have no room to judge them, their beliefs, or their family values. You aren't better than them (pride is a sin. I'm sure you know that). It's also not anyone's business how they live, same as it isn't anyone's business how WE live. It's personal and no one has any right to call any more attention to them as to a heterosexual couple.

If you'd like to try and raise the point, that some people do, of how it ruins the sanctity of marriage, how marriage is about a man and a woman, etc etc etc I'm going to have to tell you that marriage is about LOVE. Divorce, lying, cheating, all kinds of messed up things that happen ruin the sanctity of marriage. Love doesn't. Love comes in many different forms but it all boils down to the same thing-love.

If you want to tell me how sex is for reproduction then I'm going to tell you that's bullshit and that you try getting married someday, loving your wife, and not making love to her. You can't take the love out of it. It's not about reproduction. It's about love and out of that love sometimes comes a child. SOMETIMES. Everytime sex doesn't produce a child doesn't make it wrong, does it? No. There are also heterosexual couples who CANT have children or choose not to. You might as well just take your sperm and have it put into her egg medically and not in a physical way since it's all about reproduction anyway, apparently. How bout that?

Do you think all peope who are different from you in a minute way are bad? Do you hate people of other races too? Their skin is different. They were born with pigment in it that is different from yours. How about women? They're different. they were born with vaginas and vulvas. Does that make them bad? If you aren't racist or sexist then how can you think it's wrong to be homosexual?

Take a look at WHY you think it's wrong. Not understanding something can easily make you dislike it and be afraid of it. I'd like to know if you came to this conclusion that is it wrong yourself or if it was the belief of your parents and church and friends. You can't just take what other people tell you and believe it outright. We have brains for a reason. Make your own choices. If you're going to believe something, believe it for the right reasons, not because someone told you to.

Your God loves everyone, why can't you?

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the_stampy April 1 2005, 20:32:34 UTC
First of all I never said that I didn't love everyone. Hate the sin love the sinner. I love everyone as Gods children, but that doesn't mean that I support everything that they do. And it seems pretty clear that there is nothing I can say to you because you don't seem very open to hear opinions are just plain old fact. I don't know where you come from or who you are, but I do know that I have been formed to analyze things in a logical manner. In no way is homosexuality logical, or natural, or right. Also, it is clear that I am dealing with someone who won't regard the magistarium of the church as truth. It is sad that our culture has become so distorted. Now if I am not to use God in this let me just start by saying THAT is impossible, and those who think it is are uneducated. Obviously we came from somewhere. It is completely impossible to come from absolutely nothing. Aristotle said that there has to be a higher Creator in order for our existance. I can say that even not using God in this that homosexuality is completely unnatural. People aren't born that way and it doesn't just happen one day. Homosexuality is a psychological disorder. It is a choice that one makes, unfortunately there are those that choose the wrong. I do not deny that people of the same sex can't love eachother, but it isn't the same love. And yes sex is for reprduction. No it doesn't always result in that, but if your intention is to procreate there is nothing wrong with that. It is for God to decide whether it is time or not. God made sex a good thing under the context of a heterosexual marriage. Obviously the pieces don't fit for homosexuals for a reason. Our bodies are made to fit with the opposite sex for the very reason of procreation. Well I am gonna stop here. I have some philosophy homework to get done before class. I would love to hear what you have to say next. I am completely open to what you have to say. I would just ask that you are to what I have to say.

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penguin_lover April 1 2005, 22:38:59 UTC
i think your idea of facts and sar's idea of facts are greatly differed. i would hope that you dont tune her out either beacuse she feels so differently from you. you defend your point very elequoently but i have to disagree strongly when you say that it is a disorder.

one of my closest friends told me he was gay three years ago. before that day i never had a probem with homosexuality. i have never encouraged it. it is one of those things that is part of a person, but not the whole of the person. like color, or religion, or a background. etc etc etc. i had the oppurtunity to get to know this person on so many levels as a friend, as a deeply close friend, not as my token gay friend. and when he told me he was in love... three years ago... with his still current boyfriend, i was nothing but happy for him and their appreciation for each other. if you strip away the notion of sexuality, be it homosexual or heterosexual, it is clear that these two people love each other dearly. they are there for each other.
it was very hard for this friend of mine to "come out of the closet" as they say, to myself and other close friends. in fact, it was only a matter of months ago that he was finally able to tell his own mother. it wasnt that he was ashamed of who he was, so get that thought out of your head if its there. it was that he was SO afraid that she wouldnt accept him as her son, that his brother would deny him, that he would simply be judged for what he is and what he cannot change. thankfully his mother has a big heart... bigger than most mothers i have known... and smothered him and his boyfriend with nothing but love and reassurance of that love.
but it kills me to think that people like my friend have to live in a world where they are afraid to express their love to friends and family, and most importantly, to themselves. he was 18 when he told me he knew he was gay. science is showing now that homosexuality or heterosexuality is determined by the age of three, not later in life as once thought. of course, im sure there are a million different factors that determine such things.
brian, im not saying you are a person of the masses who would throw rocks at someone who, in your opinion, is a sinner. im just typing in a generality. it very much surprises me that you believe it is a disorder. as always i will try to respect your opinion as you have done mine.
but it also kills me to think that if i were gay, and had found the love of my life, there would be people who would want nothing more than to not express my love.
you bring up one point, that like many, has two sides. you said that our bodies are made to fit with the opposite sex. this is very true, to an extent. but now we are in a time in the world where there are so so so many extraneous variables in sex, the one im referring to, mainly, is the idea that the "original" concept of sex and what goes where is, for most couples, gay or staright, not really cutting it anymore. think sex related things that dont have to do with... well, sex. i hope you know what i mean because i dont wanna get graphic on yous. :)
wow this has been a long reply. thanks for reading if you got this far.

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penguin_lover April 1 2005, 22:45:32 UTC
ps.. i like how you love the sinner and just hate the sin. even though i dont think homosexuality is a sin, i like that you try to still love someone you dont agree with.

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the_stampy April 1 2005, 23:01:22 UTC
Where was this kids dad? Just wondering because the studies I have read speak of male "loving" other males because they didn't have that male nurturing when they were growing up.

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penguin_lover April 2 2005, 05:05:12 UTC
actually he wasnt around. this kid is one of three brothers, and he took off when he was really young, i think. i dont know the exact age but i know it was really young. that agrees with that idea, but his boyfriend was the product of a happy home, with his father around and everything.

ive heard of that theory too. i honestly wouldnt want to rule it out as a factor of how people are shaped, sexuality included, but i dont think its the only factor.

wow we've beaten this to death havent we

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sarar April 2 2005, 06:11:44 UTC
I already said everything that needed to be said.

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the_stampy April 2 2005, 08:48:06 UTC
and it was wrong

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penguin_lover April 4 2005, 07:13:53 UTC
it was wrong in your opinion

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sarar April 8 2005, 08:34:24 UTC
this reply may be a little late but you can't say whether I am right or wrong.

also, you went from having different beliefs than I did, which is fine, to being rude, which is not. congratulations.

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god damn sarar April 18 2005, 07:57:10 UTC
Jesus Christ give me a fucking break. Why dont you shoot her down a little more and close your fucking mind while you're at it. That's just messed up man the girl wants opinions not just yours.

AAAAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHH! this makes my skin crawl.

-natasha

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Re: god damn penguin_lover May 11 2005, 19:12:26 UTC
hahaha you tell em tash. dont let them give you any shit.

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ecchirobo April 5 2005, 19:45:28 UTC
what if it isn't your intention to procreate. Sex can just be sex, whether it's hetero or homo. Now whether or not you condone homosexuality or not is irrelevant, and to clarify it was not PBS' decision to take that episode off the air, it was the FCC. I saw this episode, and they never come right out and say "this lesbian couple", they allude to it and the entire segment is all of 30 seconds long, the rest of the epsiode focuses on the kids. I try to stay out of theological debates, but dammit when I see the words "you're wrong" thrown around a few dozen times in a paragraph I just can't help myself. Ahhh, wouldn't the world be a better place if we could just tolerate others and not feel the need to impress our ideals and ideologies onto others. Whatever they may be.

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the_stampy April 5 2005, 20:57:20 UTC
Our bodies are made the way that they are for procreation. Not just to have sex. And no it would be a better place to just tolerate others, because there are a lot of uneducated people out there that are completely wrong.They can't give you fact about things, so they give you their opinion and say that is good enough. Well, it's not. Opinions are used by the feeble minded.

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penguin_lover April 6 2005, 01:08:11 UTC
wow that was nice and harsh. im happy with my opinions and i would never consider myself feeble minded because of that.

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ecchirobo April 6 2005, 18:17:43 UTC
of course you haven't given any facts either, just opinion.

by the way, I think you meant to say "no, it wouldN'T be a better place..." other wise you'd be agreeing with me, and I don't think you meant to do that.

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