Comments | paper_castle: "I want to be a good woman, and I want for you to be a good man."

paper_castle

"I want to be a good woman, and I want for you to be a good man."

May 11, 2006 12:54

Monday night I was sitting on the wooden steps in front of my very southern house, waiting for Adam to drive by so we could hit the 1:00 am breakfast specials. Everything was quiet except the distant sound of a passing truck and what seemed to be a broken bicycle coming my way. Only it wasn't a bike, it was two racoons chasing a very squeaky ( Read more... )

Leave a comment

Back to all threads

swtmaryanne May 11 2006, 22:25:53 UTC

You should post more. I always enjoy reading what you write no matter how ridiculous it is.

PS - Who cares if it's murder or not. Self-given abortions are one of the leading causes of death for women in countries that don't legalize abortions. It's going to happen and we're just going to start losing the women with the babies unless we wisen up. You know, in my opinion.

I think we are saying swtmaryanne May 12 2006, 00:26:05 UTC

the argument appears to be ... its killing and the other side says NUH UH ( ... )

Re: I think we are saying pobrecito May 12 2006, 08:11:03 UTC

I think the majority of pro-choice people *do* go with the more moderate abortion is still killing route, though. John Kerry in the debates with Bush was always very careful to make his stance that of "Abortion is regrettable, but it must be kept legal to keep it safe." I admit, Amanda and I are more on the radical side by saying, "Fetuses?... Fuck 'em! They ain't people!" It's like you guys are arguing against something that's not really being argued, though. Or at least your argument is only that you think people who think something totally different from what you think are wrong and should shift their whole paradigm in order to frame the debate in a way that is more pleasing to your own beliefs... bwah?!

Re: I think we are saying swtmaryanne May 12 2006, 14:50:53 UTC

I think thats what matthew is asking how are fetuses not individuals was his question. we want a dialogue on it. Calling fetuses non people makes abortion an easy choice then ( ... )

Re: I think we are saying paper_castle May 12 2006, 15:00:53 UTC

Really, I should not have bought this to the internet. I always foget that.

Anyway, what interests me about this discussion is not the actual decision we all make about abortion, but about how that decision should affect other opinions. My feeling is that people mask the abortion issue with words, symbols, and science that allow them to obscure the real issue: what makes a person justifiably killable?

Pro-choicers must have an answer to this. They have started drawing a line that says a human with this much physical development or this much life experience can be killed. Regratable? Yes, but not a human rights violation.

That decision should have consequences, and requires further investigation. Autistic children have a very limited life experience and kids with Down Sydrome could be considered less human than a "normal" embryo. Are they killable? What about 18 year olds? What about the poor and those who aren't socially constructive. Why do they deserve human rights?

paper_castle May 12 2006, 01:42:02 UTC

First, that is Matt responding to you, and second, I think he is responding to the comment above.

Anyhow, I'm totally with you Syd. I'd just rather see the argument move beyond a place where people think it is a matter of when life begins. As in your example, I think this argument is better served by weighing the opportunity cost than by relying on unclear scientific or religous doctrine.

Back to all threads