Thoughts on Thor
Hello, chums! I saw Captain America Yesterday night (Along with the Avengers Trailer) and fangasmed all over the floor.
It led me to rewatching Thor for the billionth time today. It has occurred to me that Loki is not necessarily a bad person. He is not outright evil. He is moreso corrupted, I think. He is a victor of circumstance. Allow me to elaborate.
Loki admits that he let the frostgiants in for fun, to keep Thor form the throne of Asgard. If one looks thoroughly, it is obvious that Thor, when he is about to be promoted, is an adequate choice for King. He is immature and impulsive. Loki was trying to protect Asgard from this, not necessarily to rise to the throne himself or endanger Asgard. He tried to keep his brother safe and from making foolish decisions several times,. He tried to console Thor, and then to keep him from going, and then tried to drag him home, and finally had Odin come and save them. His intentions were in the right place, but his attempts at consolation were corrupted and led Thor to go to Jotunheim, and his telling Odin led to Thor's banishment. He did not want THor banished (the look of hurt on his face afterward should have been enough to show that).
This is not to say that Loki is perfect. It's obvious that Loki resents his brother's favor in the eyes of their father, but still knows enough to protect his less-wise companion. They both want to be king, with good reason, and Thor is favored. It seems as though Thor thinks of him as an equal, until, that is, on Jotunheim when Thor reminds him to "Know your place", but yet, Loki says nothing, always the faithful brother. Loki is also displaced among not just the Royal family, but among Thor's friends. Thor's friends are all warriors and obviously do not think of Loki as a friend, but merely a package deal with Thor. When he greets the Warriors three and Sif, his tone when addressing them as friends is resentful. Loki understands he will always be second tier to his brother.
Loki wanted Thor to learn his lesson as much as Odin did. Sif was right: He does care for Thor, and he his Jealous, but these two ideas are not necessarily conflicting.
As for his venture into the weapons vault, one should consider how terrified Loki was of himself. How would you feel if you suddenly started turning blue? He did the only think he knew he could to test it. He had to touch a frost giant. Since there were no frost giants around and he obviously couldn't go back to Jotunhiem alone, he did the next best thing and found a sacred relic of the frost giants to test himself. Yes, he confronted odin and yelled at him, but, once again, how would you feel if you knew that you had been stolen from your parents and never told about it, then t presumably be used as nothing more than a peace bridge? Would you yell at your "parents"? Look at Loki's face. He's scared. He looks like he's about to cry when he confronts Odin. And then, after the convenient Odinsleep, he feels guilty and doesn't know how to help his father.
To end Thor's banishment? His reasoning is sound. How could he undo his father's wishes. How can he brag to Thor about his promotion to King? The people of Asgard already know of his mischief, he needs to do all he can as king to earn their trust. He still cares for Thor, because he asks his mother if there's Hope for him. He wants Thor back but he understands his father's wishes and judgement are sound.
He visits Thor at the crash site, becasue he needs to tell Thor what happened. Now, he tells Thor that Odin is dead and Frigga forbids his return. He outright lies to his brother but with reason. He feels the need to redeem himself to Odin. He forced his father into passing out, and he feels less worthy because he is a frost Giant. he needs to prove that he is worthy of Odin's name. I suspect, that when he tried to lift Mjolnir and was unable, he understood that he was not worthy of the throne either.
Following the Logic of Loki's need to redeem himself, it is obvious why he confronts the frost giants and "allows" them into Asgard to kill Odin. He's planned to trick Laufey so that he could kill Laufey and destroy Jotunheim to win Odin's favor.
So why does he send the destroyer? Well, he is growing increasingly desperate to follow through with his plan. Hence his hasty firing of Hiemdall. He knows that once the warriors three have gone to Midgard to save Thor and Bring him back, that they will ultimately succeed if he doesn't stop them. IF Thor returns, then he cannot go through with his plan. I don't think the Destroyer was sent to kill Thor, but to stall them long enough to go through with his plan.
So why does he stop the destroyer? He will not kill his own brother. Simple as that. Thor can take a beating; he is a god after all, so knocking Thor unconscious will keep him stalled. HE also knows there is no way for Thor and the Warriors to return without Heimdall of His operating the bifrost. He's obviously not expecting Hiemdall to free himself. He does not expect thor to regain his power, and so Loki then reactivates the destroyer in a panicked attempt to stop him. When he is unsuccessful, he rushes to summon the frost giants and continue with his plan.
He then proceeds to Kill Laufey and hug mommy. Having Laufey attempt to assassinate Odin only serves as a way of legitimating his destruction of Jotunheim. Cue the fight with Thor, during which he does not attempt to kill him and eventually gives up, knowing the damage to Jotunheim is already done. He implores Thor to understand that he'll never see Jane again in a final attempt to save his plan but fails and is hit by the explaosion.
"I could have done it father, I could have done it. For You, for all of us." Loki explains (and that line gave away the whole thing to me) all while looking again like he's about to cry. When Odin tells him no, he understands that his plan was as immature as Thor's and he fears he can never be redeemed after the acts he's selfishly comitted and thinks he'd be better off gone, because he cannot return to living in Asgard with the contempt of the people and his family. it is at this point that he lets go and (SPOILER) eventually ends up on Midgard. (This is shown in the after-credits teaser).
Now my headcanon says that while on Midgard he behaves like a id in a candy store and becomes corrupted so quickly. WHat started as good intention becaame selfish intention and eventually evil intention and contempt. Hence:
MAJOR SPOILER: Hi-light to read--
Hence why he is the villain in the Avengers (This is as I interpreted from the Avengers Teaser after Captain America) I think this because of the power cube that is the evil relic in Captain America and is shown in the after-Thor-Credits Teaser.
Discuss?
It led me to rewatching Thor for the billionth time today. It has occurred to me that Loki is not necessarily a bad person. He is not outright evil. He is moreso corrupted, I think. He is a victor of circumstance. Allow me to elaborate.
Loki admits that he let the frostgiants in for fun, to keep Thor form the throne of Asgard. If one looks thoroughly, it is obvious that Thor, when he is about to be promoted, is an adequate choice for King. He is immature and impulsive. Loki was trying to protect Asgard from this, not necessarily to rise to the throne himself or endanger Asgard. He tried to keep his brother safe and from making foolish decisions several times,. He tried to console Thor, and then to keep him from going, and then tried to drag him home, and finally had Odin come and save them. His intentions were in the right place, but his attempts at consolation were corrupted and led Thor to go to Jotunheim, and his telling Odin led to Thor's banishment. He did not want THor banished (the look of hurt on his face afterward should have been enough to show that).
This is not to say that Loki is perfect. It's obvious that Loki resents his brother's favor in the eyes of their father, but still knows enough to protect his less-wise companion. They both want to be king, with good reason, and Thor is favored. It seems as though Thor thinks of him as an equal, until, that is, on Jotunheim when Thor reminds him to "Know your place", but yet, Loki says nothing, always the faithful brother. Loki is also displaced among not just the Royal family, but among Thor's friends. Thor's friends are all warriors and obviously do not think of Loki as a friend, but merely a package deal with Thor. When he greets the Warriors three and Sif, his tone when addressing them as friends is resentful. Loki understands he will always be second tier to his brother.
Loki wanted Thor to learn his lesson as much as Odin did. Sif was right: He does care for Thor, and he his Jealous, but these two ideas are not necessarily conflicting.
As for his venture into the weapons vault, one should consider how terrified Loki was of himself. How would you feel if you suddenly started turning blue? He did the only think he knew he could to test it. He had to touch a frost giant. Since there were no frost giants around and he obviously couldn't go back to Jotunhiem alone, he did the next best thing and found a sacred relic of the frost giants to test himself. Yes, he confronted odin and yelled at him, but, once again, how would you feel if you knew that you had been stolen from your parents and never told about it, then t presumably be used as nothing more than a peace bridge? Would you yell at your "parents"? Look at Loki's face. He's scared. He looks like he's about to cry when he confronts Odin. And then, after the convenient Odinsleep, he feels guilty and doesn't know how to help his father.
To end Thor's banishment? His reasoning is sound. How could he undo his father's wishes. How can he brag to Thor about his promotion to King? The people of Asgard already know of his mischief, he needs to do all he can as king to earn their trust. He still cares for Thor, because he asks his mother if there's Hope for him. He wants Thor back but he understands his father's wishes and judgement are sound.
He visits Thor at the crash site, becasue he needs to tell Thor what happened. Now, he tells Thor that Odin is dead and Frigga forbids his return. He outright lies to his brother but with reason. He feels the need to redeem himself to Odin. He forced his father into passing out, and he feels less worthy because he is a frost Giant. he needs to prove that he is worthy of Odin's name. I suspect, that when he tried to lift Mjolnir and was unable, he understood that he was not worthy of the throne either.
Following the Logic of Loki's need to redeem himself, it is obvious why he confronts the frost giants and "allows" them into Asgard to kill Odin. He's planned to trick Laufey so that he could kill Laufey and destroy Jotunheim to win Odin's favor.
So why does he send the destroyer? Well, he is growing increasingly desperate to follow through with his plan. Hence his hasty firing of Hiemdall. He knows that once the warriors three have gone to Midgard to save Thor and Bring him back, that they will ultimately succeed if he doesn't stop them. IF Thor returns, then he cannot go through with his plan. I don't think the Destroyer was sent to kill Thor, but to stall them long enough to go through with his plan.
So why does he stop the destroyer? He will not kill his own brother. Simple as that. Thor can take a beating; he is a god after all, so knocking Thor unconscious will keep him stalled. HE also knows there is no way for Thor and the Warriors to return without Heimdall of His operating the bifrost. He's obviously not expecting Hiemdall to free himself. He does not expect thor to regain his power, and so Loki then reactivates the destroyer in a panicked attempt to stop him. When he is unsuccessful, he rushes to summon the frost giants and continue with his plan.
He then proceeds to Kill Laufey and hug mommy. Having Laufey attempt to assassinate Odin only serves as a way of legitimating his destruction of Jotunheim. Cue the fight with Thor, during which he does not attempt to kill him and eventually gives up, knowing the damage to Jotunheim is already done. He implores Thor to understand that he'll never see Jane again in a final attempt to save his plan but fails and is hit by the explaosion.
"I could have done it father, I could have done it. For You, for all of us." Loki explains (and that line gave away the whole thing to me) all while looking again like he's about to cry. When Odin tells him no, he understands that his plan was as immature as Thor's and he fears he can never be redeemed after the acts he's selfishly comitted and thinks he'd be better off gone, because he cannot return to living in Asgard with the contempt of the people and his family. it is at this point that he lets go and (SPOILER) eventually ends up on Midgard. (This is shown in the after-credits teaser).
Now my headcanon says that while on Midgard he behaves like a id in a candy store and becomes corrupted so quickly. WHat started as good intention becaame selfish intention and eventually evil intention and contempt. Hence:
MAJOR SPOILER: Hi-light to read--
Hence why he is the villain in the Avengers (This is as I interpreted from the Avengers Teaser after Captain America) I think this because of the power cube that is the evil relic in Captain America and is shown in the after-Thor-Credits Teaser.
Discuss?