German student Diren Dede killed in 'castle doctrine' case

[checkerdandy]

The father of a German exchange student shot dead in Montana after he trespassed in a man's garage has said the US cannot continue to "play cowboy" with firearms.Markus Kaarma has been charged with deliberate murder in the Sunday killing of Diren Dede, 17, of Hamburg

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[oddityangel]

So they basically baited a trap so that they could 'lawfully' kill someone. I am very disturbed right now.

[lied_ohne_worte]

Looks like it. There's this article, with the following quote:

Paul cited a witness who alleges that Kaarma issued threats at a hairstyling salon on April 23. The hairstylist, Felene Sherbondy, quoted Kaarma as saying: "I'm just waiting to shoot some fucking kid," according to the prosecution's affidavit.

They're reporting that the young man's host family lived in the same area as the shooter, and that he was looking for something to drink, as his host family always had Gatorade in the garage. So, if he was looking to steal anything at all, he wanted to steal a drink, and I'm sure he did not entertain the thought that trespassing on someone's property could result in his being shot

[nesmith]

It feels like everyone who visits/studies over here should be taught to treat us like rabid dogs who might go off at any second. :( I hate the moronic gun culture in this damn country and all the hair-trigger assholes who are allowed to own life-ending weaponry and the gun makers who work overtime trying to make it easier and easier to kill someone under the flimsiest of reasons.

[oceandezignz]

See, if I had not known about the drink thing; I'd have gone into the garage to call out that someone left their purse outside, because I've seen that happen in my neighborhood before.

But knowing my god damn melanin count; I'd probably be stone cold dead after going "does someone need help?".

[oddityangel]

I'm culturally and geographically close to America, and I still find American gun culture difficult to grasp. It must be baffling for people even further removed from it. The fact that you can INTENTIONALLY create a situation to shoot someone and feel justified in the eyes of the law (and some of the public) is absurd.

[moonshaz]

I HATE when news stories make it sound like everyone in America is running around waving guns at each other or something. I've lived here my whole life, and I can't even remember the last time I set eyes on a gun that wasn't in a police officer's holster. From what I can see, the gun culture varies GREATLY from one state/region to to another

[ladycyndra]

I live in Tx and I'll be honest. I get nervous when I leave the house because I don't know who around here is packing and what could set them off and I'm caught in the middle.

[deadsong]

I used to live in Houston, and about 8 years ago I was robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight. Out in the open, by the pool in the courtyard of my apartment, where anyone could walk by at any moment. Before that time I hadn't really ever given a thought to how dangerous it is just to go outside where anyone could have a gun and be stupid/crazy enough to use it

[ladycyndra]

I'm so so sorry! I offer hugs if you want them. No one should have to be put through that. Ever. If I may ask, how are you now?

[deadsong]

I'm mostly okay. I'm not the most social guy to start with, very introverted and more likely to enjoy hanging out with my friends in my own space than in public places, plus I'm self-employed as an author and work at home. So I don't find myself in situations in public spaces that would make me jumpy as often as I could. Though I'm aware that some of this is likely avoidant, and that I've engineered my life so that I don't have to deal with this and learn to feel safe in public spaces again. But I'm not a shut-in, so that's something. And I don't have nightmares anymore.

And hugs are always welcome. <3

[mephisto5]

"I can't even remember the last time I set eyes on a gun that wasn't in a police officer's holster."

Over here, it's odd to even see police officers holding guns - the first time I ever saw it was when I went to see the Houses of Parliament. The culture around guns is very very different.

[emofordino]

seriously, how is that not considered premeditation? if that doesn't make it glaringly obvious that they WANTED to kill someone, i don't know what does