Dogs (and Cats) Can Love

Apr 26, 2014 20:49

Neurochemical research has shown that the hormone released when people are in love is released in animals in the same intimate circumstances ( Read more... )

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nesmith April 28 2014, 21:20:52 UTC
Yeah, totally not seeing the need for a scientific study since it's not like this is Totally New Information, but I guess it's nice to have some corroboration to throw at all the "But they're JUST animals!" assholes.

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squeeful April 28 2014, 21:34:12 UTC
Because a lot of animal science is still stuck on the Descartes idea that animals are nothing more than complex machines with no emotions or dreams. And "this is obvious" is not worth anything in empirical science. So, yes, you end up testing and proving things people go "duh" about.

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nesmith April 28 2014, 22:35:08 UTC
Not being a scientist, I wasn't aware that we hadn't already advanced past that nonsense. But I guess you learn something new every day.

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squeeful April 28 2014, 22:38:22 UTC
It's not everyone, but there isn't a consensus of "animals have emotions like humans". It makes people uncomfortable.

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mastadge April 28 2014, 23:12:30 UTC
As well it should! Because the more we realize that we are them, the less excuse we have to exploit and destroy them and their habitats. A quotation from Samantha Hurn's Humans and Other Animals sums up a discussion I've had so many times with so many people:

"There is an increasing body of ethological material which convincingly argues for the ability of numerous animals to empathize not just with members of their own species, but with members of other species. While there is also plenty of evidence to suggest that many animals do not demonstrate empathy, the same could be said of humans. That they don't always empathize or demonstrate empathetic engagement is a very different issue to whether they are able to empathize. Not all human relationships with others, human or nonhuman, are intersubjective, because even with members of our own species we do not always make the necessary connection, that is, we do not or cannot empathize with that other enough for intersubjectivity to follow. Either that, or we refuse to empathize and ( ... )

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squeeful April 28 2014, 23:16:36 UTC
Exactly, but people get angry and sometimes violent if you challenge their Precious Specialness, a core tenant of not just a lot of worldviews, but religions as well and they'll go to lengths to preserve it.

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lovedforaday April 29 2014, 03:42:24 UTC
or they get angry because certain people are more willing to donate to a sick dog than they are to a non-white child. i know animals are a beneficial part of society and the world as a whole, but i'm still aware that there are still humans that are viewed as lesser than animals by certain people in mankind.

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nerwende April 30 2014, 09:04:51 UTC
Well, I can only speak for myself but when I'm donating to a cause, I'm not thinking "I'm donating to this INSTEAD OF donating to x". I do think, "well, instead of buying stupid shit, I'll give the money to this charity" or "my local Red Cross is organising this thing, I hope I can fit it into to my schedule". For me, the decision process is about whether or not I have the time/money to give, not about whether some cause is more worthy than others. Say, if I'm participating in a reforestation program, it wouldn't make sense to me to worry about whether I should be donating books to children's hospitals instead. I might do that later, it has nothing to do with what I'm currently contributing. If I donate to a program to save a critically endangered animal species I don't think "maybe I should have given the money to some humanitarian cause instead" because the list of charities I'd like to donate to is endless and I personally cannot put them in order of importance. Yeah, it would be nice if we could "help humans first" and once we' ( ... )

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nesmith April 29 2014, 00:31:11 UTC
Which is sad; the human inability to realize that we're not the only ones who matter really gets on my nerves sometimes. The idea that animals feel things might me that we might ACTUALLY have to treat them better, o noes.

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roseofjuly April 29 2014, 21:35:37 UTC
Nope! It's only recently that people have started investigating this. John Pilley and Alliston Reid, for example, have come to worldwide renown by teaching Pilley's dog Chaser over 1000 nouns - but more importantly, how to string commands together and figure out what to do when given words she's heard before, but in sequences she hasn't heard or learned. In his book Pilley talks about how many people who work with dogs - especially herders - have said for years that dogs can learn complex behaviors and using reasoning skills on their own, but nobody would believe them until Pilley & Reid (and others) started doing some research on it.

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