'Hollywood Holocaust' apology published by paper.

[atomic_joe2]

The son of Hollywood Reporter founder Billy Wilkerson has apologised for the trade paper's role in the 1940s witch-hunts that saw many in the industry ostracised for having communist ties.

The actors, writers and directors on the so-called 'blacklist' suffered huge damage to their careers as a result.

Comments

[nadejda]

they shouldn't apologize- they should get the medals for saving Americans from horrible fates which would be theirs like they were for soviet people.

If someone prevented the communist revolution in 1917 in Russia they would be saving millions lives.

So say thanks to people who saved your country from communism.

[romp]

Are you even a little aware that it had nothing to do with communism? And communism does not = Stalin. The US was not on the brink of a communist dictatorship.

You might as well be suggesting we thank the men who ran the Salem witch trials for saving us from Satan.

[zinnia_rose]

A+ reply.

But nadejda is a troll so I'm afraid you might as well be screaming into a toilet.

[homasse]

I don't think she's a troll. People throw the word "troll" around when people disagree and they aren't familiar with them - she and I had a very civil discussion in one post. Calling her a troll is kind of unfair. :/

[sfrlz]

Yeah she's stuck around to defend her comments so I hardly think she qualifies as a troll.

[nadejda]

and the reason why i didn't answer all comments is that most of them had no idea just offensive language.

If some comments with actual ideas had been lost among them I am sorry- but there were too much comments and I do not all time in the world :)

[nadejda]

thanks for support- and I should say that all my post were civillian especially in comparasing with post in which people called me name and curse and show sombols with middle fingers ")

If trolls are people who didn't do these to others - so I am a troll.

[romp]

Ha! Thanks for breaking it to me gently. ;)

[nadejda]

You know in Russian Imperia no one thought that after a few years there will be communist dictatorship.

And all started the same way- writers\journalists write how good will be life after revolution and people start to believe this and in no time after they made the revolution they got into communist dictatorship.

And there is no any example in the world that communism not = Stalin\Mao\REd Khmers from Cambodia\North Korea dictatorship, etc- the list can go on and on.

There is no Satan - so this example is not right.

but there is communism and it's always the dictatorship because it could not survive without it.

[sesmo]

Kibbutz is the actual execution of communism, from each according to their ability to each according to their need. It works, for a generation or two. It does not involve dictatorships either.

[the_physicist]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/kibbutz-employs-thai-workers-in-sub-human-conditions-1.127905

i think you are thinking too idealistically about these kind of places. they are not self-reliant either. if they didn't rely on Israel's war machine, they would not exist. they are not independent states with their own armies. a small commune cannot be compared to what happens in an actual communist state.

[nadejda]

you are right and I was saying the same.

[nadejda]

Kibbutz is not a country as I recall- it's just small communities inside the country- right?

When such model would expand to the whole country there will be changes- for example it's very easy to control the distribution of goods\food inside such small community and nobody can use it for their own good and tell to others that it had been used for community good.

But when it's big country it's not possible to control such distribution.
Also Kibbutz doesn't have their own army or police- right?

So they can't repress people who will argue with the leader if leader did something wrong.

And it' very easy to explain to the whole community if leader did something wrong- it's not possible to hide wrongdoing in such small collectives.

So in my opinion Kibbutz more the model of family not country.

[the_physicist]

Agreed all that had nothing to do with communism.

And communism does not = Stalin.I'm not sure what country you are from, I'm sorry. But to me at least, well, it kind of does though. Not Marx's original ideas, but what communism actually was? that was fucking reprehensible in almost every country (not saying the West doesn't have its share of atrocities it committed as democracies, don't misunderstand me

[fishphile]

Not Marx's original ideas, but what communism actually was?

And, really, that's the problem I have with Marx. His work leaves too much room for interpretation, especially when it comes down to how long the dictatorship of the proletariat would be in power before withering away. What communism has historically been is not necessarily Marxism, but because it's so open ended, it's not necessarily against what Marxism is either.

Also, I don't think this poster is a troll.

[the_physicist]

Also, I don't think this poster is a troll.

Okay, thanks for clarifying! I just saw zinnea_rose's post before it had been replied to.

And, really, that's the problem I have with Marx. His work leaves too much room for interpretation, especially when it comes down to how long the dictatorship of the proletariat would be in power before withering away. What communism has historically been is not necessarily Marxism, but because it's so open ended, it's not necessarily against what Marxism is either.

I think Marx was too idealistic in his assessment of human nature. I'm not even saying he had the wrong idea at all about a fair few things. But what communist states were like was very, very far removed from Marx's ideal state.